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Alabaster Spectrum
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In a sense you cut out the overhead or producer that would otherwise take all the money I suppose otherwise animators would be making huge bank off of things like Love Live provided there was proportional product sharing. Unfortunately the Pyramid Scheme like way in which the industry is structured with the production committee system doesn't allow animators or really anybody that isn't at the absolute top of the production chain that directly works on these things to in turn receive money directly from fans the same way a publisher can. I just find it curious and unfortunate that working outside these industries in Japan as a 2nd party type act likely allows you to make substantially more income strictly because it's possible to actually organize the revenue stream somewhat or entirely in your favor. No doubt actual idols like the ones in AKB48 that actually put on the performances and put their lives on hold to engage in the theater of it all would be millionaires instead of just their fat cat producer. Hell I bet the average mega popular doujin artists doing work with popular franchises at Comiket makes far more in those two days than an actual industry animators that created the first party versions of those products does in an entire year and has far more manageable hours strictly because they have no overhead and get to sell their products directly to fans at whatever rate they chose again with no producer or overhead to step in take a cut and control every aspect of their work lives. |
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SilverTalon01
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Thats like complaining super models make more money than the people who actually made (and I don't mean designed) the clothes. It takes more people to make a product than to show it off, and aside from creative positions, the people making it are more replaceable. I mean it sucks how underpaid animators are, but until the supply drops (and they can't just outsource) there isn't really going to be an improvement. |
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configspace
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Considering the costs of costumes, professional photography, marketing, travel, hair styling, makeup, etc, I'd guess it's about half, before taxes. |
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Nephry
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I don't want to overwhelm this forum with quotes, so to Alabaster Spectrum:
If you create the property, you kinda get to decide how much money you yourself want to make off it. That's how life works. In the end, the original creator of the property does the most legwork: they write the story, build the world and characters, and make it appealing to consumers--and then they hire animators to do the scut one person can't do alone. How, then, is it fair for someone to go to their boss and say "I'm an equal partner in this business; I designed as much of this world as you did. Give me more of the pie you baked."? Again, it would be great if those higher up the food chain took a little bit less and gave more to their employees; I'm not saying the anime industry isn't a little messed up. But no company in the world would pay every employee at every rank equally...that's not how it works. If there was no compensation for being in a higher position, no one would take a higher position. It's harder work than it looks like. In a higher position, you make decisions that affect people's lives. Even a simple hiring and firing can mean a difference in one person's means of living, and a good leader knows that. Positions of power send people to early graves through many nights of worry and duct-taping the seams together--it's not always just pure greed and rolling in money (though undoubtedly those types exist). If you don't believe me, look at the Soviet Union. Tractors in the Soviet Union didn't have headlights. Why? Because no one was doing work at night. No one had any reason to work any longer than they had to because everyone (ostensibly) received the same reward. Output declined. A system like that just doesn't work. Anyway, the point is...it's not so easy to generalize creative industry. It's more complex than many would think. |
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valoon
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Too bad this can only be achieved by females
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JRPGNATION
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Besides this not being the norm or not having the top male cosplayer earnings to compare to her earnings. Citation needed. 
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dormcat
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At Comiket, WonderFes, or similar events, a famous cosplayer can sell physical merchandise like photo albums, instant photo / polaroids, postcards, pin-up posters, wall scrolls, even life-sized pillows. Each and every item can be autographed and/or auctioned to increase value. In addition to stage performance, they also have private (and paid) photo sessions held at photo studios or scenic locations. |
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HeeroTX
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As an aside on the "Cosplayer vs animator" thread:
While I agree that animators ARE underpaid, I'll point out that Cosplayers have a situation like pro athletes. The "top" ones are paid VERY well, but the rest probably the "average" is much lower. But even if you assume they're ALL making good money (let's say approx $50k+ avg) they have a very NARROW window to capitalize on that. I'm not sure when they might "start" making good money, but I'd guess 99% will be very lucky if they're still pulling good money Cosplaying once they get in the 25-30 range, and the "career" will likely be dead after 30. Idols usually have a shelf-life in that range. Early twenties is "getting old", mid 20s is "graduation time" (and usually only if you've been pretty succesful), and anyone still being some sort of idol in their late 20s is pretty exceptional. By contrast, animators can (and do) work to a "normal" career age and beyond in some cases. 10 years of $100k/year = $1million. 40 years of $30k/year = $1.2million Also, regarding how other jobs compare to the people that actually "make" stuff. Being able to market and sell things is a HUGE skill. I absolutely HATE sales people, but I understand WHY they make really good money. I can have the best product (say an anime) in the world, but if I can't get people to BUY it, then it doesn't matter. I'm not an industry pro, but Producers are the people that make the animators into "employed workers" rather than "unpaid hobbyists". Options like Kickstarter MIGHT start to change this, but for now, it's often tough finding the people who will pay you to do what you're good at. |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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Wait a minute, I'm confused who is actually paying her at Comiket? Comiket doesn't host guests or have performances because it's a free event. It's also non-profit I believe, it only makes enough to rent the space for the circles which they charge relatively low table rates because they don't make much either.
Edit: ah saw Dormcat's post above. The article was a little misleading. So it's all from merchandise and photoshoots which Comiket itself doesn't pay for? Comiket's cosplay circle area is quite large, so she probably has a table where some lackeys sell her photobooks and other mentioned merchandise and autographed items. There's no rule at Comiket that places a limit on how much you can earn selling. |
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JRPGNATION
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You calling me a downer?
Eh I prefer beard chan. AKA Ladybeard. 
Yes he so popular he appear in anime. This is him in the anime. Anime name is Comical Psychosomatic Medicine. 
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Blanchimont
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Aaand quite a few male cosplayers who cosplay as female characters. And most of the times you won't know it.  ...
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Aphasial
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Quick... name a male supermodel. (And no, Zoolander doesn't count )
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JRPGNATION
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What? You realize there a shit ton of them right? Also there a lot of male cosplayers too. Did you forget we are talking about cosplay specific model work? Also their salaries. Unless you or I can find the salaries, this does nothing for both of us.  So give me numbers with genders being compare and done by a trusted source or we are in limbo here.
Listing why not ask who ever does answerman questions? That better than google searching for cosplay salaries. I came empty handed. There this site about very good cosplayers but good luck telling genders apart. 
http://worldcosplay.net/ List of male cosplayers. http://goboiano.com/list/3023-25-hottest-yaoi-cosplayers-who-will-surpass-all-your-expectations http://goboiano.com/news/3700-would-you-believe-that-this-sexy-kotori-cosplay-is-done-by-a-guy%253F 
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-popular/the-worlds-14-best-male-cosplayers/ http://malecosplayers.tumblr.com/ http://orzzzz.com/top-10-best-male-cosplayers-in-the-world.html http://www.neatorama.com/neatogeek/2014/02/12/15-Epic-Male-Cosplayers-You-Need-to-Check-Out/ http://socialnewsdaily.com/44856/5-japanese-male-cosplayers-you-need-to-follow-on-twitter/ What you thought they were rare or something? I thought we were talking about male cosplay salaries vs the girls cosplay salaries. Which I can't find any info on it.
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