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EP. REVIEW: Re:Zero -Starting Life in Another World-

Subaru is experiencing pain because of Emilia both psychological (her basically cutting ties with him and being unable to understand him and his intentions) and physical (unwittingly of course, but Subaru is killed time and again because of Emilia by puck and tormented by the cultist, which are after her)

Subaru was already planned to recuperate in the capital because of the mabeast ordeal and one can argue that his recuperating has as much to do with Roswald as it does Emilia, as he stated that he intends to replay him for his actions in full.

As Rem herself explained in Episode 18 that Subaru himself showed her he is a good guy with no real influence from Emilia aside from once telling her to play nice with him, hardly a view changing event.

I'm watching the same show as you but observing different thing which leads to different perspectives/observations.

Rinkwolf wrote:

Subaru is experiencing pain because of Emilia both psychological (her basically cutting ties with him and being unable to understand him and his intentions) and physical (unwittingly of course, but Subaru is killed time and again because of Emilia by puck and tormented by the cultist, which are after her) Subaru was already planned to recuperate in the capital because of the mabeast ordeal and one can argue that his recuperating has as much to do with Roswald as it does Emilia, as he stated that he intends to replay him for his actions in full. As Rem herself explained in Episode 18 that Subaru himself showed her he is a good guy with no real influence from Emilia aside from once telling her to play nice with him, hardly a view changing event. I'm watching the same show as you but observing different thing which leads to different perspectives/observations.

emilia tries so hard to keep him safe, forming a promise with him asking him to be safe with rem at the manor, even forming a contract with another king candidate who she knows most likely look down on her.

if anything, subaru's rash actions caused emilia and himself pain. he doesn't know when to stop, and emilia called it. there was bound to be mayhem at the capital and subaru went in like a wrecking ball.

and if you read the LN, none of this would have happened if spoiler[ subaru is not around. ]so it's very unfair to say emilia is the cause of his pain when she tries so hard to keep this mysterious stranger safe, when she only brought him back to the manor to investigate about his motives and ended up caring for him and giving him a chance of a new life in lugunica.

the witch cultists, his mysterious witch scent, and his pigheadedness are the troublemakers.

Anime can promote a lot of things

This series is luring me into buying a Subaru this holiday season.

It's probably due to the # of times hearing the same "Subaru" name over and over in this series

You have two very narrow minded views and/or misconceptions.

1.) Subaru legitimately SAVED HER LIFE, as in he took the killing blow onto himself, which would of killed her as there wouldn't have been anyone there to administer healing magic. That is huge and it goes with reason to think the least Emilia can do is give him shelter and she understands what debt she has to Subaru. You are gravely undervaluing what Subaru did for her.

2.) Nowhere did I state nor implied that Emilia is intentionally causing Subaru pain, just that she happens to be in a position that is the source of it now. I didn't say anything about her character, just the relationship she currently has with him is swapped to that of Rem from the previous arc.

(1) Who hired Elsa, the Bowel Cutter? ... Whoever made the hire wanted to disqualify Emilia, even though this would (presumably) delay the selection until two more candidates were found. Why would you hire someone with a reputation like "Bowel Cutter" and yet not instruct her to simply kill her target? On the other hand, if all you wanted was to steal the amulet, why not go to (someone like) Felt directly?

Thanks, Iron Maw. That definitely clears up the finer points of the negotiations, as well as explaining each party's motivations a little more thoroughly.

For me, it reinforces my opinion about the handling of the negotiations in this most recent episode. Exactly because there was clearly quite a bit of thought (by the author) put into Subaru's ability to strike up this deal, I think showing us his doing so in a coherent, forceful fashion, more inclusive of the camera, could have played a crucial role in convincing the viewer blow-by-blow that Subaru's turned a corner. Instead, in the manner it was told, he just suddenly strikes a fantastic deal without much buildup or explanation - too sudden a turnabout to feel natural or well told, even if we were all expecting Subaru to finally pull through somehow.

michizure wrote:

(1) Who hired Elsa, the Bowel Cutter? ... Whoever made the hire wanted to disqualify Emilia, even though this would (presumably) delay the selection until two more candidates were found. Why would you hire someone with a reputation like "Bowel Cutter" and yet not instruct her to simply kill her target? On the other hand, if all you wanted was to steal the amulet, why not go to (someone like) Felt directly?

Circumstantial evidence now points to Priscilla or her faction, as the only one of the three (discounting Felt, who was Elsa's victim and not in the running at the time) who hasn't teamed up with Emilia's faction at this point.

We didn't need more time wasted with the show spoon-feeding us what we already know;

Subaru is in the middle of turning a new page, and he's going to utilize what he knows and what he can and can't do in order to get the people involved with the matter to take action against the Whale.

I don't mean this as a personal critique, but I do honestly not understand why people want so much some minutes of Subaru plotting, scheming and striking up deals, when we already know he's going to do that

To me, it is more likely that the one who planned the theft of the insignia is not part of any opposing faction. so far, judging by the conversation they had with subaru when he was asking for help on previous loops and their meeting in the palace, plus the scene with the apple vendor, none of the candidates thought of emilia as even a slight threat. so why would they try to take her out? on a limited entry contest it is actually safer to go against a contender you know is going to lose than to risk someone more popular taking her place. There is also the matter of "the bowel hunter" as you mentioned, why would they hire a renown assassin for a theft? as emilia said "just losing the badge was enough to get disqualified", even if the patron was expecting emilia to put up some resistance, why hire someone who would go out of her way to kill every person in the building, the mission would have been accomplished as long as she (forcefully or not) snatch the badge from felt's hand and escaped, even if someone had seen her face the point would still have been made that emilia was unable to protect the badge. on the other hand successfully killing emilia would open unnecessary hostilities between aristocrats and potentially start a civil war, none of which any of the candidates or their faction would desire

Maybe because I don't want to pass it as either bad writing or a mere plot device but I find very suspicious how extremely negligent roswald is towards security, from having no soldiers at all in his mansion or domain in general (as suggested by the second and third arc) to just letting emilia roam alone on the streets of the capital even slums. I mean he is betting his future political gain and influence on her. Either that guy is clearly into something or is unbelievably naive, and by unbelievably I mean bad writing

Again, it is not about the show spoon feeding us things we already know, but justifying why certain character know it (when and how they learn/realise them). in order words to keep consistency in the story telling. we can surely imagine by ourselves several ways subaru came up with the idea that crusch was interested at all on the whale (the weapons could have been to attack anyone else), but since the show doesn't tell us, then "officially" he just randomly and "conveniently" guess it, thus an aspull

Precisely because he finally admitted that he needed to work hard and apply his mind to obtain what he wants, that this world was not going to treat him as a fairy tale MC and conveniently make things work for him, is that we need to see him while he is putting on that effort (it just so happen that in this case it has to be through scheming and planning). otherwise the statement loses its power. in short to reinforce subaru's character development. what we got instead was the opposite, character calling back to how well things worked for him off-camera. sure, we knew he was going to go through this and that he was most likely (on a narrative sense) going to succeed, but actually seeing him doing so is the payoff for the ordeals he went through.

That's just my opinion, I understand why some people would disagree

But the show DOES tell us, during last week's episode. Subaru explains how he got some suspicions, how a couple things half-confirmed them, and that he decided to take the risk and go "all-in."

It's not convenient. This is all information we've seen before, Subaru included, but that he didn't think about because he was still in his big, good ol' hole of stress and desperation.

Rinkwolf wrote:

You have two very narrow minded views and/or misconceptions. 1.) Subaru legitimately SAVED HER LIFE, as in he took the killing blow onto himself, which would of killed her as there wouldn't have been anyone there to administer healing magic. That is huge and it goes with reason to think the least Emilia can do is give him shelter and she understands what debt she has to Subaru. You are gravely undervaluing what Subaru did for her. 2.) Nowhere did I state nor implied that Emilia is intentionally causing Subaru pain, just that she happens to be in a position that is the source of it now. I didn't say anything about her character, just the relationship she currently has with him is swapped to that of Rem from the previous arc.

if anything, you're the one who's undervaluing emilia for ur previous post saying that the contract for healing happened because of roswaal or that emilia had no real influence in showing that subaru is a good person.

if not for emilia's unwavering support and encouragement in all iterations, subaru's not going to be sane enough to think much less escape from rem's trial. in ep 18 she thinks of his face on emilia's lap, so rem hold that scene quite dear to heart.

bringing him back to the manor only happened because of emilia's goodwill and sense of duty, it wasn't a given. as shown in the first iteration of the mansion arc, even he recognize that he's very suspicious to come at this time, to be near emilia. he was to be judged if he's a spy and roswaal/ram/rem/beatrice all judged him, and only emilia supported him.

you say that Subaru is experiencing pain because of Emilia both psychological (her basically cutting ties with him and being unable to understand him and his intentions but you didn't take into account that subaru caused the mess himself. she on the other hand still uphold the contract just for his sake, so it's unfair to state that emilia is the cause of his pain.

Gistradagis wrote:

But the show DOES tell us, during last week's episode. Subaru explains how he got some suspicions, how a couple things half-confirmed them, and that he decided to take the risk and go "all-in." It's not convenient. This is all information we've seen before, Subaru included, but that he didn't think about because he was still in his big, good ol' hole of stress and desperation.

no, it Does not tell us, and he does not explain. he just says "well, i learned that the price of weapons are going up, and I have seen an unusual amount of wagons going in and out of your state, plus I saw this very important merchant talking to your butler" from this it is very safe to assume she was the one collecting the weapons, but that doesn't even slightly suggest she was planning to use them in anything whale-related, precisely because no one knows when and where it would appear (except by subaru of course) is that anyone preparing for a crusade against it seems unlikely (what were they gonna do with all those swords if they just never came across the whale while operating as a militia?)

the scene when wilhelm thanks him and Crusch then pointing out subaru was being dishonest confirms that subaru had not realized there was any kind of beef between anyone on that mansion and the whale, so that means he could not have make the connection that crusch's ambition was defeating the whale from the conversation between the merchant and the butler.