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Animechic420
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Like High School of the Dead??? |
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residentgrigo
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Which Real Drive (8/10) did Justin watch? No seriously, what was so sexist about the show that "broke" it
 ? I read up on the Global Gender Gap Report this week and Japan is currently No. 101 out of 145. Germany is No.11 and the US is @ respectable No.28. South Korea is even No. 115, so you now know where all the broken pornhwa is coming form.
http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/rankings/ The inherent misogyny is a long lasting pillar of the country, Christmas Cakes and all. It´s the reason why their pop culture and society are broken. End of story but things are changing. Is the ever growing fujoshi trash the answer? No but equal opportunity sexism is something, i guess. What the manga industry is lacking as a Gail Simone, who manged to course correct a entire industry with her Women in Refrigerators blog and the comics she later got to write. The US market is now at a point where erotic publications as Sex Criminals or Saga have more female readers than male, despite NC-17 sex scenes, while being main stream + critical successes. The EU market is infamous for porn comics and and putting 1 obligatory boob shot in every teen or adult targeted album but the industry itself is all-inclusive in the end. What makes my head shake the most is the hypocrisy of the market. Do porn or don´t, there is NO middle way. Now about dat pedophilia.... Last edited by residentgrigo on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:41 pm; edited 4 times in total |
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Hameyadea
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I'm always somewhat amused by those who lit up their torches at the mention of Free! or possible BL themes in Kuroko no Basket, but are willing to defend a "guy bumps into girl, assumes head-in-crouch, hand-on-boob position" scene whose purpose is just showing the character copping a feel.
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DmonHiro
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I take offence at "no thought put into writing" and "Juden-chan". White it definitely has trashy fanservice, the wrting was pretty damn good, and I found the central theme of helping people the best one can, as opposed to just hiding their problems away, excellent.
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Morry
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For me, so long as I'm not seeing boobs, butts, or whathaveyou shoved into "my face", I don't mind some fanservice, not even straight-up nudity so long as it doesn't turn into a grope-fest or some exhibition show. The only thing I want to consistently see from a character is their face. All else, there's porn.
That's unfortunately limited the amount of ecchi series I've liked, assuming the story/characters/comedy weren't already awful. |
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Savion
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Yeah one of my biggest turn offs about straight male fan-service is that its, more often than not, harassment based and super cliche. How many accidental boob touches and high-pitched "KYEEEYAAHH"s can one take? Who enjoys that stuff at this point? Its a perverted version of romantic plot tumors, which I also hate (actually fan-service and poor romantic writing do go hand-in-hand).
Things like Queens blade which are solely for fan-service are one thing (they're borderline pornographic & not pretending to be anything else) but fan-service is often gratuitous and a huge annoyance elsewhere. Last edited by Savion on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:54 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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phoenixalia
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Oh man that backlash when Free! was announced. No, when the 30-sec commercial was made. Even THAT had so many angry males going 'waaaah KyoAni betrayed us' when it was just a darn COMMERCIAL.
And then the whole 'KyoAni's going to announce a new anime' thing came out and some were like 'OMG is it finally the new FMP anime?' while a small minority, myself included were thinking 'Hey....could it be swimming anime?' I actually was a part of the nico live stream and oh boy when it was announced I screamed so loud that the whole neighborhood must have heard me....er, I digress. Anyway, all those posters on ANN, MAL, that one other website that loves KyoAni (you know what I'm talking about)...honestly, at first the backlash made me mad but then I just started laughing. Those salty tears were delicious. And then came the whole 'Hurr durr durr women don't buy anime!!@@!'. And male otaku were proven wrong once again when Free! was KyoAni's biggest hit in years. Ahh....I could go on but for any of guys wondering what happened when Free! was announced, this is basically what you need to know. OT: I'm really glad that the Summer season has a A LOT of anime, no, a variety of different genres aimed at us females. Idol anime, shoujo, cute guys doing cute thing, otome anime....Summer is looking so good. |
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AnimeATLA
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To be fair, the large, large majority of hate I personally saw for Free! didn't have to do with it being a Kyoani show with fanservice aimed towards women, but rather with it being a fanservice show aimed toward women in the first place. Much like K-on! and Lucky Star being big punching bags to those who don't like moe, Free! was a big punching bag to many males who didn't even want a fanservice show aimed toward women to exist. That's simply because Lucky Star and K-on! are so symbolic of moe, and Free! is so symbolic of anime made for fujoshi or fanservice anime for women. When people hate something they need something to attach that hate to, and those three shows happened to be the victims because they were so popular and at the same time representative of what so many anime fans do unfortunately hate. If it wasn't Free!, Lucky Star, and K-on (not just those three, you can include things like Love Live, Super Lovers, etc. that are representative of niche taste (at least in the West, putting aside Japan), whether it's moe or yaoi or shounen ai or just generally less appreciated genres in general like slice of life or shoujo stuff) it would other shows people felt properly represented around about those same things. In short, much of the hate stems from something many anime fans don't want to exist (simply because they themselves don't like it, so it automatically sux), not because they felt betrayed by Kyoani (though I don't doubt some bozos like that were there, too. PS: I personally am a straight, heterosexual male, but still love Lucky Star, K-On!, AND Free! to death. |
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ParaChomp
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The problem with fan service is that it goes against gender equality.
As for Free!, there's nothing wrong with good looking guys. In the same sense, I can name a bunch of curvy female anime characters with many redeemable qualities outside of their appearance. The difference is that these characters are never violated. Female characters are constantly violated and objectified and it's easily brushed off or played for laughs. Where are the men comparing penis sizes constantly? Where are the characters falling on a male's crotch? Where is any of this? If this is so common with females, it should be as common with males but it isn't. Considering Japan is many years behind the rest of the world, it's no surprise. |
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genkillua
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When it comes to fanservice, I personally don't mind it as long as it stays within the ecchi genre. Ecchi fans can have their fanservice shows, but when I'm trying to watch a normal anime and its full of oversexualized girls and stuff, it really impedes my enjoyment of the series. i don't like seeing a character i might love or identify with being groped and whatnot, it's just a huge turn off to me.
As for male fanservice, it always feels less "in your face" as far as i've experienced it. Even free!, for example-it didn't feel like it was objectifying them and it generally seemed like it respected its characters despite the fact that they were definitely drawn to be eye candy for female viewers. Some male fanservice shows i just cannot stand, though. Someone mentioned diabolik lovers-absolute trash, and just as sexist as the female oriented shows (honestly, the girl is still getting assaulted, what is appealing about that?? then again I generally hate both harems AND reverse harems). And then there's yaoi shows, of course. I tend to like fujoshi-bait shows like free and knb, but straight up yaoi almost always involves rape or other forms of consent issues which is so upsetting. Then again, yuri shows that are sexually explicit tend to be the same way. There's just a general lack of respect for consent in anime, i've noticed. |
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TarsTarkas
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I don't mind complaints of fan service, because, yes, sometimes it can be too much. But the problem lies when the unintended audience for such fan service decries its very existence, instead of spending their time promoting stuff that they like.
Or even worse, labeling people who like fan service with names, so they will be cowed. Last edited by TarsTarkas on Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Animegomaniac
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I don't have a problem with visual female oriented fan service- a nice body is a nice body- but I draw the line at fujoshi bait. Not because it bothers me emotionally but because it pulls me out of the show much quicker than any boob grab or panty flash ever could as it makes me wonder if its subtext, text or just fanbaiting. Shoud I be keeping track or is it something I can just ignore? To compare, yeah, I have to keep track of the LGBT themes in Toradora as it's part of the plot but in mass bishounen shows, I don't have a clue.
Also, I'm a fan of Queen's Blade and Juden chan for the "comedy"... no, I honestly mean comedy. Kanonkon, on the other hand, I just couldn't stand and that one was supposed to be a rom com of some sort... failed on both counts for me and I didn't even care for the fanservice. |
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phoenixalia
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Please, please don't think all otome games/otome anime involve raping the main girl just because of Diabolik Lovers. Please. UtaPri, Hakuouki, Code:Realize, Happy Sugar Darlin, Kenka Bancho Otome...I could go on. One more thing: I hate Diabolik Lovers but the guys never raped the main girl. How are shows for fujoshi massively worse? Let me guess, you're saying that because of Super Lovers? Yaoi anime isn't the only stuff for fujoshi. Kuroko no Basuke, Haikyuu!!, Joker Game (yes, JOKER GAME), Psycho Pass, Gintama etc. are also for fujoshi. By 'for fujoshi' I mean that they are the ones who buy the anime discs, drama CDs, merchandise and the like. If you meant 'for fujoshi' in the sense that you only meant yaoi OADs and stuff like Super Lovers, then I do see what you mean. One last thing: fujoshi=/=female otaku. Fujoshi is TYPE of female otaku. A reverse harem fan is not a fujoshi. |
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CaRoss
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This was a great answer and I think the fact that the fanservice aimed at women is usually better blended into the show it's part of is a good reason for why there seems to be such a strong double standard when discussing the two major types of fanservice.
As someone who enjoys some of the fanservicey shows out there, my favourites always end up being ones where the fanservice is, as mentioned in the article, tied to the characters and story; as was the case with a series like Hentai Prince and Stony Cat. However, as that is the rarer case for male oriented fanservice (most ones ending up like Testament of Sister New Devil, and being so over the top, or how Sword Art throws in random moments throughout), it rarely leaves the same impression that one that blends things better would. |
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AnimeLordLuis
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I'm a Huge fan of male targeted fan service and I strictly just watch it for the fan service so I really don't want that to change although yes some things might be offensive to some people but they don't have to watch or care about it since it's not intended for them and one really important thing to remember is that it's all FICTION which means that it's not real and will never happen in real life and most fans who watch it know it deep deep down in the back of their minds.
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