Forum - View topicNEWS: Digital Manga's PeCChi Imprint Launches Kickstarter for Kodomo no Jikan Manga
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Fel Temp Reparatio
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There is very little chance of this Kickstarter making it to completion. Kickstarter itself has rules about what is allowed, and pornography is not. Whether this particular release is technically porn isn't as important as to whether it looks like porn, particularly child porn, and offering a body pillow of a third grader is not going to help Digital Manga's case that it's anything but. Reports about it violating their ToS alone will probably do it in, and even if they don't react to that, there's a good chance that you're probably going to see "Kickstarter is allowing child porn" news stories, and that's pretty much guaranteed to make them pull the plug on this.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Alright I am locking this thread while I do some much needed clean up in here.
Edit: Alrighty then. Never thought I'd ever find myself saying that I would rather be at a colonoscopy appointment. Posts have been edited or simply removed. So if your is gone or missing parts you know why. Looking at you 3 in particular DuchessBianca, yurigasaki, & AlexPawllo. Consider all 3 of you officially warned to behave and post civilly. Believe it or not you can disagree with someone in a civil and adult manner and not act rude or ignorant. Oh and AlexPawillo, or should I say Łukasz Kania, don't think creating a second account to get around word filters and post your rude crap is going to fly either. Creating multiple accounts here to do that is very frowned upon. I highly suggest you do not do it again or else we'll put all of them on moderation on the spot. Beyond the trollish arguing all the OT discussion on girls and their periods and when they get them, or who you leave your daughter with ends now too. Beyond being creepy in some of the posts it's also wildly OT and might as well be like throwing gas on a fire. So don't do it. Stick to the topic at hand and keep it civil. My first instinct is to just shut this down but I'm going to go against my better judgment and re-open this thread. This is the only warning being given here considering this topic's hot button history. On a separate note I want to say as a moderator that posts like these:
do not help one bit. Especially the last 2. All those last 2 are is trollish flamebait. Anymore posts like these will also be removed and you could wind up getting a PM warning as well. If any of you see problem posts, here or elsewhere, REPORT them (there were 0 reports filed for this thread). Don't poke at them with a stick and then laugh or just comment on it. This is also not the first time you've done this Agent355. I would urge it to be the last. Last edited by Redbeard 101 on Fri May 27, 2016 1:40 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Catsplay
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All I have to say on the matter is that this has a right to be kickstarted and sold here in the States. Fictional characters in a manga, even if they're underage in the story, are not real children, so please stop trying to say this child pornography and that people that like the series are pedos. If you don't like the series, then literally just ignore it because no matter how much you cry fowl, it's not illegal, at least not where I live. I for one will be throwing money at this myself in three weeks time since I've always wanted to own this series. Really awesome they're doing Onibus sizes for these and that its going to be 6 volumes all together.
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Melicans
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Looking at the page for the kickstarter, it seems like the October 2017 release date is when the expect the later volumes in the series to be sent out by. Volume 1 could be mailed/emailed out as early as October this year, and the first half complete by mid-next year. I guess that's a good thing for people who choose to back the project; I had thought from the article that that nothing would be sent out until October next year period.
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Foxaika
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I wish I had some money to contribute but unfortunately I have a dearth of disposable income right now. I liked Kodomo no Jikan quite a lot. Amusingly, I didn't know about the controversy until after I watched the series and looked to see if it had been licensed. The episode about Rin's mother hooked me. Also loved the episdode(s?) where you get to know Shirai-sensei better and she becomes friends with Kuro. I wish more people would give the series an honest try without the prejudices that I see that many have. It's certainly not for everyone and I know that it may be difficult to get into unless you are part of a certain niche, but I think that despite that, there are many redeeming qualities to the series.
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VanGosroth
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Great news. Gave my donation.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Considering how much controversy Kodomo no Jikan got back in the early 2000's, I'm a bit surprised that it's being given another shot with its manga. I'm hoping that, this time, it will be a success. It may feature some moments that some may find...shocking, but if one looks past that, it's a very fun read.
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ximpalullaorg
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I think this title reception is always problematic, but to summarize my opinion on this.
1) I personally think the manga is junk, and even disgusting; 2) However, since it's a fictional work and AFAIK doesn't break any laws, it can be sold; 3) The lynch mob done in 2007 (including this very site, a stain that never disappeared for me) was something that I personally find troubling. Seven Seas had every right to publish it, and blocking it (by the the store themselves, due to outcry, or a combination of two, it doesn't matter) shouldn't even have happened. Maybe it'd have tanked in sales, but it would have been way better than what we got; 4) This company is perfectly in his rights in trying to publish it. And I hope whatever happens to this KS is due to real reasons, not this "outcry" again (very PC, if you ask me). The fact that I personally couldn't recommend this manga to anyone for the life of me doesn't really matter. It's a product that can be sold, unless the US decides it's illegal. |
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Blanchimont
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Well, Kickstarter policies aside (didn't I read an article a while back that they relaxed those somewhat, in regards to projects like these, can't remember where though, Kotaku?...), it's well on it's way at least with $43,897 out of $157,000 since this article was posted...
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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@Psycho 101
Alright if anymore shite posting/flame post do come up I can do that. That aside I really, really do want to see KNJ get an official release in west to so I can show my support. |
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CatSword
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Kickstarter has indeed become more lenient. I can't pinpoint any specific examples right now, but they've been more accepting of sexually explicit drawn material (such as visual novels and manga), as long as there as some sort of plot. |
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Cutiebunny
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I did. And I'm a woman. This is one of only a handful of loli/shouta series that I enjoyed. Usually I shy away from manga featuring young minors, but Rin reminded me a lot of myself when I was younger and my relationship with a male teacher. I enjoyed the manga from the perspective of seeing Rin do the things I wanted to do.
Stop being so judgmental of others. Just because a person enjoys these types of stories does not mean that this is something they'd reciprocate in real life. I like violent video games too but I am not going to act that out in real life. |
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Melicans
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I may be mistaken (and I'd like a lawyer's take on this), but I think whether the material breaks any laws would depend very much on the definition of child pornography (or whatever other laws people may consider relevant) in the particular locale that it is sent to or the physical products processed in. There is a reason that when localizers such as MangaGamer license adult VNs, their releases are always preceeded with a screen that states all of the characters are over the age of 18 (even when that is clearly not the case given how many of them are set in schools or feature high school students). That the children depicted are fictional may be immaterial in the eyes of the law, depending on how the law in question is worded. If the law makes no distinction between real and fictional people, then the material may well fall foul of it. Simply put, it doesn't matter if the child is real or fake. If they are presented as underage then they risk breaking the law as it is written. I have not read Kodomo no Jikan/Nymphet. I do not know if anywhere in the thirteen volumes there is a chapter, page, or even one single panel that depicts a child explicitly (whether that manner is sexual or not). That Seven Seas licensed the series almost a decade ago implies to me that the material would not be considered illegal in the United States. I cannot believe that they, and DMP in turn, would risk publishing it and not go through the material with a fine-toothed comb through a horde of lawyers if it really is that close to the border of what is and is not acceptable legally. The consequence of being on the wrong side of that would be manufacture and distribution of child pornography; a much more serious charge than possession. Whether the same is true in Canada, the UK, Australia, or any other country depends on their own legal definitions. If the series is sold at retail later on, as the kickstarter page implies, I would not feel comfortable purchasing the material until I saw it for sale on my national Amazon website. At least then I could say it was legally for sale in my country. |
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ximpalullaorg
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It's not for me to judge if it's illegal or not, as much as I dislike it. The manga was boycotted ten years ago not for legal concerns, but for moralism and PC issues, IMO. People interested in it have all the rights to read it in English, provided it reaches the KS goal, regardless of what is the general consensus on the themes and the quality.
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Ringking
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And now, I'm waiting for payday.
Frankly I've never understood what gets people so triggered about this series. It's a creation of ink and paper, not flesh and blood, there are no real people involved. The argument that 'this sets a precedent' that gets bandied about is flawed, it's no different from the media hysteria over violence in video games. Anyone who is going to engage sexually with a child already has issues, they aren't going to be swayed by what they read in a manga. Of course, what people also like to forget is that controversy is a story telling tool. I'm a self-confessed lolicon no denying it, but the content in this story made even me a little bit off at times. The way I see it, that is evidence of a story with a point that actually has something to say using the content. |
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