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Kougeru
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Wait, I can understand on private property...but in Japan is it illegal just to take pictures of people without their permission...in public places? Are schools not public? Weird concept to think about...guess we really do take rights for granted in the US if it's illegal to take pictures of people in public there. One thing I hate about cosplayers is when they get mad because you took a picture of them without their permission...in a public place. Perfectly legal. If you dress that way, you should expect pictures to be taken. Back on this specific topic, I can understand normal passer-bys in this town not wanting their pictures taken...but that's a risk you take when you go out in public. No one will generally care unless you're doing something bizarre anyway. |
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ScruffyKiwi
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It's NOT perfectly legal and quite frankly it's rude!! If you take someones photo you cannot do whatever you want with their photo as their likeness still belongs to them. The location of the photo is irrelevant! |
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RitsuLaw
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Dude, you can't just take a picture of someone without their explicit consent, be it in a public space or not. You can even have serious legal problems because of that. And what you said there, "if you dress that way, you should expect pictures to be taken" sounds just like those pre pubescent boys who can't see a girl's bare legs or they'll start jacking off to it because "it was there to be seen" you know. 
Anyways, I just hope this wont end up creating a situation that'll shame the rest of the love live fans. |
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DLH112
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Are you suggesting that any photo taken of a busy city street where anyone's face is discernable needs all of their permission or the photo is illegal/immoral? I can see it being rude if you get up in their face and get a close-up of one person, but it's technically not illegal (in the US) unless you try to sell/publish it. Also, I find it hard to believe that anyone cosplays just because its the most comfortable/appropriate thing to wear in their daily life. Cosplay pretty much soley exists to be shown off to/shared with other people. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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I see no problem with the disclaimer. Just ask a cosplay for allowance to take a photo of him/ her and it's all smooth-sailing from there.
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EricJ2
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No, but if you saw someone out front of your high school with a camera taking pictures of the building and the students on the grounds, you'd be understandably concerned. Even more so if you were Japanese, and jumped to conclusions easily (and had more of a cultural likelihood of being right). |
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AnimeLordLuis
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I don't blame them for asking livers visiting Numazu to "mind their manners" some of them can be a little unpredictable when it comes to Love Live!
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ScruffyKiwi
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There are many reasons why people cosplay and a lot of those DO NOT involve becoming public property!! Just because someone is in cosplay does not mean you have the right to take their photo! And yes .. even in a public place you do not have the right to go up to someone and take their photo and use it however you wish. People still retain rights over their image even if it is taken in a public place. |
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Kyosuke_
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A minor correction to the article; it's Izu Mito Sea Paradise, not Izu Mizuno.
(Also I was at Awashima Marine Park last month and there were no Love Live Sunshine goods being sold, looks like I was a bit early!) |
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John Hayabusa
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I wish I could visit the place. I hope the pilgrims will have a good time there and cause no trouble. I cannot wait for the album tomorrow!
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AJ (LordNikon)
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INCORRECT. For once in my years on this board I can actually state something directly from my roll as both a career as newspaper photographer, subsequent career as an editor for the Reuters in Japan and side hobby as a street photographer with about forty plus years in these roles. In the US this falls under expectation of privacy laws. State side it is absolutely 100% perfectly legal to photography anyone or anything that can be seen by the naked see in public without consent. Jesus can be banging Pam Anderson inside his house, and as long as the drapes are open, you can can shoot that. You can't climb a phone pole to get the shot, but it is fair game. It is also fair game to sell or reproduce those images if they are not for commercial use, So, a newspaper or media outlet can absolutely reproduce them under the first amendment freedom of speech and freedom of press, or for editorial use. This is VERY well defined by SCOTUS. The UK and Canada is not too far off from the US's rules. I can't speak for Oz, and don't get me started on France.Now, in Japan, this gets a little bit murkier for the media and the general public; while not quite as extreme as France law's over copyright ownership of one's image, Japan does has some more restrictions. You can photograph people in public in Japan, however, they retain said copyright over said images take, and you are required to delete images upon request of said individual. Even in the media, PJ, photographers and video guys need a signed consent to air or reproduce an image, this is why if you watch NHL, you see everyone's eyes all blurred out; it's too much of a PITA to go around and ask everyone on a street to sign a release. Plus, all it takes is for one guy to be seen in the background to get called out by a buddy or enemy for being on TV; there's that entire social cultural aspect to to it as well, but that's an entirely different story. I can go on and spend a half hour going in to very specific details, quote case law and culture references to both the US and the Japanese aspects to freedom of speech, expectation of privacy and the law, and that doesn't even touch upon tourists and street photographer, as well as cosplay photography. As for the etiquette of street photography, lord knows how many debates and flames wars I have seen in forums and IRL clubs on this topic over the decades, but I'll digress on that for now. Since I actually have about dozen articles needing proofed and approved by deadline. So much for my break. I just wanted to pop in read the headlines on ANN, and see the grand-kids before getting back to work. |
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AJ (LordNikon)
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PS: In my rush to see the grand kids off, I failed to mention that this notice sounds more like the Sunrise decided on the location and once things got rolling the town and/or its residents got vocal on the issue decided it did not like the idea of being an otaku destination. Most communities survive off tourism dollars but there is s till a large negative feeling around otaku, and anime/manga in general especially among the elders. I would be willing to bet there was community blow back over Sunshine by some of the residents.
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CallumKeyblade
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This translation of the notice makes it sound like the local area are okay with it & this is more of a pre-emptive strike to make sure there is no negativity surrounding the franchise in the local area/news.[/url] |
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kiminobokuwa
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My question is what if someone accidentally gets in your shot as you're taking a picture?? U didn't mean to take their picture they just ended up there. Will u still get in trouble?? And i don't think you'll get in trouble if you're tkaking a picture and people r in the background right??
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LightYapper
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As a fan of Love Live, I really wish to see where Sunshine would go, that's why I would want to visit Numazu someday. Also, I think it's appropriate to have such regulations. True that photographing someone on its own is not considered any big deal, but people have their own rights to speak whether they want to be photographed, and photos out of nowhere can be really troublesome to anyone.
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