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Lady Multi
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Yes but as I have said, the way he has vented his frustration is basically saying, "Stop or I'll quit". It's NOT going to stop; he should be well aware of that ESPECIALLY with his specialty market. All that will make him look now, as someone who only has one volume published, to his publisher, to his magazine is a quitter. So who would you rather sign with? Someone who you don't know will have work for you because they say they're going to quit? Or the other guy who is working hard and not bothered with inevitable part of the Porn market? |
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Kikaioh
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@Lady Multi: I completely disagree. It's the wrong attitude for artists to simply sit back and accept things the way they are, and not express their feelings about the way they're being treated by pirates. And if anything, publishers are likely to sympathize with his feelings, given how much the industry has struggled to handle piracy over the last decade or so. That sort of "blame-the-victim" mentality where you chastise the manga artist for not putting up with being pirated, isn't something I'd ever agree with.
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lamel2g
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For research purposes, Anyone know the name of that "manga" used in the preview for this article?
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walw6pK4Alo
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It's actually a CGset; Make A Matchless ♂ Succubus Masochistic!!! You can buy it here so Gujira gets some dough: http://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE111595.html And seeing that it only has 23 downloads, maybe he does have a right to bitch. Some artists get hundreds of legit downloads on dlsite. |
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Stuart Smith
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Hundreds? Most artists I talked with generally get at least 1000. http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ089124.html Though he also sells physical versions of his CG sets at conventions, which is what I have. I know LolitaChannel sells mostly physical versions of their sets as well. Do you know what the link is to his Japanese page on DLsite? Most of the stuff on the Japanese side never comes to the English site. And more than a few artists I know say that Americans are more likely to pirate then Japanese so they generally are hesitant to sell to westerners. I'd be curious to see what sales are like on the Japanese side. -Stuart Smith |
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leafy sea dragon
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What's a CG set?
Well, they have two choices: Sell to westerners and have them pirate their stuff some of the time, or NOT sell to westerners and have them pirate their stuff all of the time. |
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Stuart Smith
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Basically a set of pictures. If you've ever seen those galleries like have 10 different versions have the same picture with little changes like sex fluids, its basically those.
There's actually a third option that they generally employ: put it behind a website that doesn't sell to western IPs, accept western credit cards, or ship to western addresses such as Toranoana. I've noticed some artists stagger the websites they release their work on. Theyll release it on a site like Toranoana and then wait a few months before making it available on DLsite. The minute it gets released DLsite you can generally find it uploaded to western hentai sites within days if not hours. This trend was noticed by artists as well, which is why they do it. Now, you can actually order from these websites that block you via a middleman service, but those generally cost a lot more money. And let's face it, pirates generally don't want to spend money so while it's possible they can get ripped and uploaded they generally don't until an easy way for foreigners to buy them pops up. I generally get stuff before its uploaded and have gotten requests to upload it, but I don't. I generally try to support artists, not screw them over. There's stuff that's been out for over a year I have, that has yet to be uploaded. -Stuart Smith |
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leafy sea dragon
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Ah, I have definitely seen those CG sets. That's what they're called? I always thought it was the artist drawing one image, then other people coming in and digitally editing them, and it was really weird and confusing for me.
Also, selling from a Japanese front but allowing westerners to pay for them, to me, counts as selling to westerners. I thought you meant that some of these artists will not let westerners buy their stuff under any circumstances. |
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Mohawk52
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Really? I mean really? I thihk he's pretty much railing about his indigenous market, than any overseas sales. I doubt he has the resourses to translate and redistribute to a market outside of Japan that has stricter laws about just being in possession of this material. Comparing Crunchyroll to Fakku is like comparing Toys -R-Us to your average adult sex shop. Also I wonder just how "legit" Fakku's now "merchandise" actually is when it's mostly translated by freelance translators and uploaders, plus the fact that what Jacob's trying to sell is also free at other H manga sites? It's like trying to sell sand to Arabs.
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Blanchimont
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http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG06917.html ...I think (that's what googling dlsite and Gujira's Japanese name together gave as a result) Edit; Getting the Japanese url from the English one, or vice versa, on dlsite might not be so difficult after all. For example take the link mentioned above in walw6pK4Alo's post; h ttp://ww w.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work/=/product_id/RE111595.html The Japanese counterpart is this; h ttp://ww w.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ111595.html Aside guessing the right category before /work..., seems the article number changes only by a single letter ("J" instead of "E") Last edited by Blanchimont on Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:43 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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littlegreenwolf
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Everything on the FAKKU site is 100% legit and licensed. I work for Fakku as a full time editor, which also makes me an "uploader", and everyone, from the translators, editors, project managers, etc, even Jacob himself, work full time. All the releases are in-house, except for the few Western artists we're paying, such as Doxy. Our releases are being ripped by pirates and we have no control over that. But our releases are all official releases sanctioned by the original artists and publishers, who get paid. And unlike all those pirated sites, FAKKU releases are 100% uncensored with no mosaics/whited out censorship. If you're familiar at all with hentai, I don't need to tell you how unusual that is. Outside of the tankobons, we're the official distributor of two Ero-magazines, X-Eros and Kairakuten, which we're releasing the same month they're released in Japan. We cannot stop piracy. We, like most of the anime industry, are just hoping that there's enough fans out there who legally want to support the industry and the artists they love. |
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Paul D. Atreides
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And here's the result of said events:
https://www.fakku.net/forums/books/gujira-gal-toka-bitch-toka-iroiro Take that naysayers
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walw6pK4Alo
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That doesn't change anything for downloads of his erotic CG stuff.
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Paul D. Atreides
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Well, at least a portion of the western fanbase will now pay to read it.
By the way, what does CG mean? Computer Graphics? |
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TarsTarkas
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There is nothing wrong in the artist expressing his displeasure and anger. But saying you are going to quit if the piracy doesn't stop, sends out the wrong message to his possible publishers. The publishers know that piracy isn't going to stop. So why put under contract someone you know might rage quit on you. No one is saying he can't vent. No one is saying he can't blow up twitter. No one is saying he can't start swinging back with lawyers. But saying you are going to quit if the pirates don't go away, is like us Republicans telling the Democrats we are going to shut the government down, if they don't get rid of Obamacare. Never going to happen. Statements like that make the artist a liability, rather than an asset. |
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