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Tyrenol
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:39 am
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NezuChiza wrote: | I find it amusing how they bring the Japanese companies into it by saying that they aren't "compensated", but that has exactly NO impact on this particular issue in regards to piracy of releases licensed by a US company. After all, the US companies already paid the Japanese companies, sales of the DVD's themselves give NO money back to the Japanese source. So once something is licensed it could be pirated till the cows come home and it wouldn't actually impact what the Japanese were already paid.
Not advocating the piracy, just pointing out that using a defense of "It cuts into the Japanese profits too!" doesn't exactly work. |
Last I heard from Kitty and Adult Source Media, Pink Pineapple had "shut its doors" to outside licensing. So we're not getting anything from them.
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britannicamoore
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:53 pm
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Why is it adult anime costs so freakin much? 6 episodes costs like- $80 bucks.
If it were $20 like the other anime...i'd know people who'd buy more. *coughs*
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mrsatan
Joined: 06 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:04 pm
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I know that Japanese fans download these as well because that's the only way they can get these titles uncensored.
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Richard J.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:21 pm
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britannicamoore wrote: | Why is it adult anime costs so freakin much? 6 episodes costs like- $80 bucks.
If it were $20 like the other anime...i'd know people who'd buy more. *coughs* |
It's more expensive because it doesn't sell anywhere near as well as "mainstream" anime. While I'm not sure this is true, I get the impression that there are a lot of legal problems associated with hentai releases. Not so much an issue of legality but of having to jump through a crap load of hoops. (I'm pretty sure the companies releasing it have to file most of the same paperwork and run the same checks as the live-action porn industry.) Plus the licensing fees have to be a little problematic for some of it and, of course, porn is plentiful on the Internet and lots of people could care less whether it's well made or not.
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Paploo
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:32 pm
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ikillchicken wrote: | Fansubs: Killing the Porn Industry |
This isn't fansubs though. It's just outright bootlegging.
Good luck to Right Stuf, and their partners in this endeavour.
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Paploo
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:35 pm
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NezuChiza wrote: | I find it amusing how they bring the Japanese companies into it by saying that they aren't "compensated", but that has exactly NO impact on this particular issue in regards to piracy of releases licensed by a US company. After all, the US companies already paid the Japanese companies, sales of the DVD's themselves give NO money back to the Japanese source. So once something is licensed it could be pirated till the cows come home and it wouldn't actually impact what the Japanese were already paid.
Not advocating the piracy, just pointing out that using a defense of "It cuts into the Japanese profits too!" doesn't exactly work. |
Depending on the specifics of the contracts, there may be royalties involved. So for every copy sold, the japanese producers might be getting a chunk of it..... likewise, they get paid whenever a license is renewed. If a product isn't selling, a company can't renew it, a Japanese company can't get the cash they need to meet their bottom line.
And Adult Source Media is the US branch of a Japanese company. So you'd have trouble nitpicking on that......
I'm glad to see companies taking action against subscription sites [which also deal in non-hentai productions], as they are actively profitting from the hard work of people like Right Stuf.
It's a shame people question even stuff like this though.
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Kruszer
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:44 pm
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I'd just like to point out how hard it is to actually find a decent hentai that's not unconsentual sex, rape, blackmail or bondage, etc. and understand why someone would want to preview these things before they buy them even if I don't agree with it. However, I also respect the company's right to enforce their copyright so I'm a little divided on this issue.
Quote: | This isn't fansubs though. It's just outright bootlegging.
Good luck to Right Stuf, and their partners in this endeavour. |
Not really much difference between the two but I would agree that when it comes to illegal acts one is slightly less noble than the other.
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LilyChan
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:00 pm
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All I can say is good luck to them!
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ichiro3923
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:51 pm
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Tyrenol wrote: |
The people who are afraid of embarrasment when purchasing an adult anime DVD at a physical store just need to man up. Seriously.
Bottom line: Stop believing that this stuff is free. It isn't. Man up and pay up. Or else you'll lose all decision-making power as so-called "fans." |
Easier said than done.
1. Even if @ cons, they put signs like "Will sell hentai if requested", I'm not going to ask if I can buy porn, especially when there's alot of people. Unfortunately, I do not have the courage to be open w/ my pervertedness unlike some yoai/yuri fans (and I mean hardcore, not like BL or any other weaksauce genres)
2.I live w/ my family, so it will be kind of awkward if my family members discover them. Even if I have an ultra-super hiding stash, they're bound to find it
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britannicamoore
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:57 pm
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ichiro3923 wrote: |
Tyrenol wrote: |
The people who are afraid of embarrasment when purchasing an adult anime DVD at a physical store just need to man up. Seriously.
Bottom line: Stop believing that this stuff is free. It isn't. Man up and pay up. Or else you'll lose all decision-making power as so-called "fans." |
Easier said than done.
1. Even if @ cons, they put signs like "Will sell hentai if requested", I'm not going to ask if I can buy porn, especially when there's alot of people. Unfortunately, I do not have the courage to be open w/ my pervertedness unlike some yoai/yuri fans
2.I live w/ my family, so it will be kind of awkward if my family members discover them. Even if I have an ultra-super hiding stash, they're bound to find it |
...hm. My con experiences with such titles...they are always in a bin under the tables.
As for the second part- yeah. Sorry but I had a hard enough time explaining some Nsync RPS on my comp when my dad accidently pressed the wrong things and opened up every file on my computer. I could only dream of the rain coming down on me for physical dvds. This is one of the few times i'm going to be in favor of pay for downloads.
I'm glad you Tyneol have balls of steel, but i refuse to walk into a physical store.
I hate even walking into the back section of a video store whre all the adult titles are, because the men back there give me some of the creepiest looks i've ever seen in my life. And that's been at all three stores i've gone into.
I admitted it there. That feels slightly better.
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starcade
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:11 pm
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There's a real question no one is asking here:
Are anime fans the ally...
... or the enemy?
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NezuChiza
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:34 pm
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dormcat wrote: |
NezuChiza wrote: | I find it amusing how they bring the Japanese companies into it by saying that they aren't "compensated", but that has exactly NO impact on this particular issue in regards to piracy of releases licensed by a US company. After all, the US companies already paid the Japanese companies, sales of the DVD's themselves give NO money back to the Japanese source. So once something is licensed it could be pirated till the cows come home and it wouldn't actually impact what the Japanese were already paid. |
May I ask if you either work in the anime industry or are closely connected in some way? Depending on the contract they signed, overseas licensees might have to pay royalties for copies they sell. I'm sorry that I can't disclose more details as this is considered insider information. Now I'm all ears to stories from your side. |
Why no, I am neither of those things. If I am in fact wrong, PLEASE provide some details to prove me so? I'm all ears, though the defense of "It's considered insider information" tends to tell me that, in addition to being rather stuck up(LOVE your idea that someone has to be closely connected to something to know ANYTHING about how things work, by the way), what I said is quite probably the way it is. I've yet to hear of any US licensee that has to pay royalties for every volume sold, and somehow I think you haven't heard that either. Nice try, however! I applaud you.
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shawnek
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:36 pm
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NezuChiza wrote: | I find it amusing how they bring the Japanese companies into it by saying that they aren't "compensated", but that has exactly NO impact on this particular issue in regards to piracy of releases licensed by a US company. After all, the US companies already paid the Japanese companies, sales of the DVD's themselves give NO money back to the Japanese source. So once something is licensed it could be pirated till the cows come home and it wouldn't actually impact what the Japanese were already paid.
Not advocating the piracy, just pointing out that using a defense of "It cuts into the Japanese profits too!" doesn't exactly work. |
This is not actually true.
With licensing, you pay an "up front" cost and a "residual" cost. There is a revenue stream that continues to the Japanese licensor as sales continue throughout the lifetime of the license.
It does, cut into the Japanese licensor's profits:
If it cuts sales, the residuals will be less, cutting the licensor's revenue stream.
If the releases aren't selling, we won't license more, meaning no money for the licensor
Both factors cause less new product to be produced. Already, content in this area is down more than 30% from 2005.
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shawnek
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:38 pm
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britannicamoore wrote: | Why is it adult anime costs so freakin much? 6 episodes costs like- $80 bucks.
If it were $20 like the other anime...i'd know people who'd buy more. *coughs* |
The licensing costs of these has been pushed up very high over the years, and has not come back down. Also, it is less "available" than the non-adult anime, in the fact that less is produced.
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shawnek
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:40 pm
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Quote: | And Adult Source Media is the US branch of a Japanese company. So you'd have trouble nitpicking on that......
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This is not correct, to my knowledge.
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I'm glad to see companies taking action against subscription sites [which also deal in non-hentai productions], as they are actively profitting from the hard work of people like Right Stuf.
It's a shame people question even stuff like this though. |
It is irritating to see the products you spend time and effort and money on being sold and you receiving nothing from it at all.
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