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cloud1989
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As some of you may already know, many fansubbers of the death note series just recieved C & D letters. I find it strange that Viz would wait till 2 episodes were left and tell them to stop. If they really dissaproved of the fansubs then they should have sent C & D letters when they recieved the licence. One of the theories of a board I usually visit believe it was done on purpose to create suppense to increase sells of the show. I can see this as a possibility because They had the licence for a while now and just happed to care when it is almost over. I think its kind of dirty for them to use fansubs in this way but then again I don't really know if thats the case. Post your theroies or comments about Viz sudden desire to stop subs of DN.
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youkai_ronin
Posts: 117 Location: beneath the starry night sky |
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Well I don't know about you but I don't have the patience to wait for Viz to release all the D.N. eps on DVD. Especially since we're two episodes away from an ending. *sigh* Honestly I really wish, spoiler[L would pull a jesus and come back, i miss that guy
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I guess Viz using this as a tool for suspense makes sense but still.....ARGH! I've been following this series since it first aired and I don't want to wait another couple of months to see the final two episodes. Also I hope Light gets spoiler[anally raped by pineapples in Hell, the dickweed  ]
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Darrenm
Posts: 37 Location: Canada, Alberta |
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I'm not surprised at all, but I think Viz has some guts to do it.
Just reading through the comments left on a certain sub group's website about how "Viz needs to be boycotted" and how "nobody should ever buy anything from them ever again" really sickens me though. What is wrong with these people? Are they so mentally perturbed to truly believe for one second that they have any right at all to do what they are doing? They're lucky they had the chance to see what they had seen - reading crap like that makes me really wonder about people, and how we really do live in a world full of idiots  . Viz is a business, admittedly one with terrible customer service, stupid censorship policies, and no fan interaction whatsoever - but they're still a business. In all honesty, they're in it to make money, not to sit back and watch their money go down the drain. Just try and tell me you'd act differently if you were in their position.
By no means am I against fansubs - I just think that people need to stop believing that somebody else's property is their own...when a US company decides they want to license a show, RESPECT their decision, and show interest in buying the official DVDs to support our industry. Or, go on acting like little children, spawn, and then see where we end up in 5, maybe 10 years. Man, do I really wish I had a Death Note of my own right about now. (Of course, I'm similarly over-reacting. But that's okay, right?  )
edit: And people are no doubt going to be seeing these final episodes subbed before Viz's DVDs hit the streets, so what's the point of even complaining? (Oh, and this wasn't directed at you, topic creator. I was just venting at what seems to be the general consensus of the fansub community). Last edited by Darrenm on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
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youkai_ronin
Posts: 117 Location: beneath the starry night sky |
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Eh, as long as you use it solely for personal reaons and not the frickin' crusade Light wants to use it for it's kewl. 
As for talk of boycotts, HAH! Like anyone's actually going to avoid buying from a company completely because "Oh NoeZ! they licensed my series!!" They'll get over it and move on. Me personally, I'd hold off on owning a deathnote. I mean where the hell would you end up when you died? |
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Ryvius213
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I wasn't surprised by some of the fan reaction to this. There's always going to be several anime fans out there who think that they have the right to watch all anime for free, licensed or not. And a (relatively) small group of anime fans trying to boycott a company for licensing a series isn't just ludacris. It's also rather pointless, since most of these people probably don't buy many DVD's(if any) to begin with.
I dislike Viz's method of indirectly using fansubs as cash cows myself, but I wouldn't boycott Viz just for that.(not that I buy anything from Viz to begin with. But if another company like Geneon did this, I'd still buy their DVD's) I just hope the DVD's will be released at a decent pace.(wait, no they won't...) What's even more irritating is that Viz has barely even begun to work on Death Note when they sent the C & D letters out, which means it'll be a long time before the DVD's will actually catch up to the fansubs, even if they were released fairly quickly. |
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coolerimmortal
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Ech. That blows. It's not going to stop the fansubbers, though...if all else fails, I'll just get one of the teams I've worked with to sub the last two episodes under a new name.
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DemonEyesLeo
 Posts: 844 Location: Japan |
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While the timing is strange (why did they wait until now?); have you all forgotten that Viz has the episodes available for download? Not up to the final 2 episodes but there will be no long wait time for the DVD releases.
On another note: the empty boycotting threats have begun...again. |
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DKL
 Posts: 1962 Location: California, USA |
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Yeah... Viz has been pretty slow with everything, which is kinda stupid since they could've taken advantage of the hype train a long time ago...
... But maybe they weren't given any production materials yet? ... That seems like a good reason, I guess... Also, I'm still waiting for the dubbed episodes to be offered up for download... I'm gonna totally jump on that the minute it gets out... Yeah, I just kinda... don't wanna pay for the thing twice when I know that they'll be out EVENTUALLY. And if it means that I get to sample it before the DVD release, I'm all for it... |
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p3rseus
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Well Death Note was going downhill anyways, they should have stopped them at episode 24 or so when it was still good. Right now Death Note has been quite inconsistent and plain boring, spoiler[after outsmarting or at least matching L, now Light gets outsmarted by Aizawa(?), Lights knows he's suspected, yet he doesn't take any precautions, which isn't like him at all, from the first few episodes we saw he was over-cautious.]. It's looking to be the kind of ending that can ruin the show.
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Martin_g
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I think that they should have done this much earlier. Viz needs fansubs to help their shows become popular, but once the show has saturated the market enough there is no reason to allow free distribution. The biggest problem with their download service is that fansub watchers have no real incentive to spend money on episodes they've already seen or will see for free. I think they should do the same thing with other popular shows like bleach and naruto. Of course, some people would turn away from the series, but many would pay the price and Viz would bring in a ton of money.
As an anime addict I only hope that in the future they will release episodes in a timely manner and that the prices will be reasonable. Now that Viz has explicitly forbid fansubs for this title, there is no way I could enjoy illegal fansubs without feeling like a thief. Episodes are $1.99ea at direct2drive.com and currently ep 10 is the latest available, so it will be a bit of a wait. I think that this price is reasonable for ownership, but I would like to see a cheaper price available for people who only intend to watch the content once. Who knows, eventually the buisness model might include commecials and one time viewers could watch for free! This idea seems to be working for streaming media, like watching music videos on yahoo for example. The low quality would be a bummer, but not everyone can afford 2 bucks for 20 minutes of entertainment. |
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Oronae
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I don't think that this was just a move to leave the fansub viewers in suspense for the DVD sales (as the series will definately be subbed before then) but rather to (hopefully) delay the release of those final two episodes long enough that they can release the final volume of the manga without the ending having already been spoiled for the anime watchers.
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Key
Moderator
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Now THAT is funny, especially given that most people who would be downloading it are already forking out the money (or having their parents fork out the money) for high-speed Internet access. Seriously, $2 per episode is a huge bargain; that's the equivalent of $8 for a standard four-episode DVD, which even at a discount price normally runs 2.5x that. And people are complaining about even this price? Sounds like part of the standard "anime should be free for me" argument. Back to the original topic, it's sad that Viz even had to put out these C&D orders. Why didn't these fansub groups stop fansubbing when the license was announced, like any responsible group should have? Because of that, I have no sympathy for people who'd be stuck without the last two episodes if these groups actually heeded the C&D letters. But anyone who has experience with fansubs knows that this is probably a wasted effort on Viz's part, since a lot of people are either going to ignore those letters or find a way around them. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Chalk me up for why the heck are they still subbing it in the first place.
So.. killing people just because you don't like them is fine, but killing people because you believe it will benefit society is wrong? |
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undeadben
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As much as I liked the show I had already stopped watching it fansubbed in favor of waiting for the DVDs. And I don't think Direct2Drives prices are high at all, actually really cheap in my opinion, but I don't see the point in paying for the show twice even if I have to wait longer to finally finish it.
I do wish Viz would hurry up and announce the DVDs already though. |
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Martin_g
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anyone who enjoys a service should compensate the provider of that service either directly or indirectly in some way. People who watch T.V. or streaming media are forced to listen to advertisments in exchange for not haveing to pay the producers directly. In other words it's not an 'anime should be free for me' argument, it's just indirect payment. Anyway, the relationship between fansubbers and licensors is not so black and white. Just because a show has been licensed does not necessarrily mean that the licensor doesn't befefit from the fansub community. I think that Viz has simply decided that the benefits no longer out weigh the detriments in the case of Death note. The fact that Viz did not send out the C & D notices earlier suggests that it must have benefited them not to in some way. It seems like to me that if companies don't want their product fansubbed then it would not be too hard just to come out and say so directly. The fact that companies often leave the issue alone can be interpreted as an unspoken endorsement. morally it would be ridiculous to think that it is okay to do something wrong until someone tells you not to, but this is not so much a moral issue, as it is buisness one. |
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