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jr240483
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the last loli was choisuji and the last shotacon was boku no pico. however NTR is not the only thing. also incest doujins mainly SAO doujins have been the main craze as of lately over there. regardless at least they changed the law on real CP where it should be. not lolicon and shotacon cause if they had banned loli and shota doujins too, better believe a lot of authors will not take it standing down. but knowing these dumbass politicians who are making decisions like these are things we should be expecting from the US side. but that annoying PM (who is known as the king of anti manga and doujins & is more hated in the otaku community more than 4kids alfred h kahn ) have really made a serious screw up thinking he can ban loli from doujins. if he wants to outlaw CP , that will be one thing ever single person and otaku will agree with 100%. but making laws to damage the otaku community , better believe there will be hell to pay. |
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infamoustakai
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Thank God, my lolis are safe.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Well, 6 years may see a change in how things are sold, but who knows, Japan works in mysteriously archaic ways. The intent of trying to end all h-publication, even my example of proper Christian missionary baby-making sex, is very clear, they're just starting with the low-hanging fruit that white people nations have been bugging them with for a decade.
Murakami did some stuff recently with girls that could be seen as lolis, likely tweens. And those Natsuyasumi OVAs are definitely early pubescent shota. But if you define child porn as any character under 18, that's potentially tens of thousands of anime and manga. |
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Cyclone1993
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I love lolis, I love lolis a lot. But I've never been fond of the actual lolicon pornography that has been created. If it is in an mainstream anime title (One aired on TV in Japan) for the most part, I'm okay with it.
But I'm glad they are cracking down on real child pornography. There's no place for that anywhere. |
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Hoppy800
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Digital distribution for manga and doujinshi has been a thing for quite a while, so I can see hentai going this route exclusively in the future.
I hear people say that quite a bit, they will like them non-sexually or just ones from a late night anime but not a hentai. It's not for everyone. As for me I prefer doujins over standalone hentai manga in general, since doujinshi will have the characters I'm attached to (and most likely drooling over if not outright in love with them). |
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jr240483
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at least they quit when they had a chance. cause knowing those politicans they was gonna target content like siblings relationships next to be stamped out of doujins and mangas.
hell it was cause of that stupid law they passed three years ago that the author for aki sora canceled her manga and there haven't been a new OVA since cause it was obvious brother/sister relationships or anything similar like that would be next to go by the hands of that PM |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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I'm not even going to weigh in on this one, I've spoken my peace on twitter, CNN's forum etc. Honestly I don't care how long this thread stay's open before the one of the mod's chooses to lock it.
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For now. LDP's Tsuchiya:
Yeah, that's the only consistent criteria if you want to extend the laws to fiction. "This girl who is a day short of her 18th birthday is showing her nipples! Child abuse!" But this leads to the question of determining a character's age, since one would not be able to use a character's looks, nor even their stated age, just as in real life. That drawn 18 year old could actually be 16. Which mean he or she would be treated no differently than a 6 year old. New Zealand banned the Ikkitousen series after the first season on child abuse grounds. Stupid, yes, but at least they're consistent, lol. |
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Osaka2002
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I'm sorry, but that is bs. There is NO difference between war glorification games like wolfenstien/call of duty and loli/shota as far as the "ethics" question is concerned. Both are vices, both are consumed by people who understand and recognize the difference between fantasy and reality, and there is no factual, academic evidence that proves that consuming either of them will lead one to act out and commit atrocious and reprehensible acts in the real world. The people who argue that those similarities and parallels aren't there are, to be frank, individuals who are uncomfortable with the idea of something that they like and enjoy being lumped together with something that they hate and despise. It's okay to feel that way, but that doesn't remove or change the similarities. Ultimately, I am glad that the nonsense portion of an otherwise no-brainer law has been stripped away. However, with Tsuchiya and other thought-policing reactionaries on the loose, the Anime/Manga community and it's advocates need to keep an eye on what's happening in the Diet. |
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revolutionotaku
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New Zealand has also banned "Puni Puni Poemy" as well. |
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matsushima
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Oooh we got to see Akamatsu drawing UQ-Holder! Thanks CNN.
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jl07045
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The intent of the material is to help reach an orgasm, which in itself is not a bad thing as you're surely to agree. However you don't know what it is that turns people on in those materials. Drawing a generalization from your own reactions is just silly, because different people are turned on by different things. Maybe drawn children are just a substitute for real children, maybe they're turned on by the idealized art, maybe by the idea of breaking a taboo. As long as someone doesn't whip out some hard data this is pure conjecture. That's why we can only argue about personal ethical convictions here. |
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Rahxephon91
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I said nothing about media influencing people, so I'm not sure why that was brought up. People are of course decentized to violence and they have been forever. My point was that I don't understand how being fiction makes some difference. That fact that it may or may not influence you makes no difference. Of course you can tell it's fiction, that's not really up for debate. CoD may be fictional murder, but it's still murder. Yet, again I look at violence really strangley. Maybe it's because as a kid I watched Power Rangers were the hero's used violence to beat up the bad guys. Sure I know all this is'nt real and I'm not being influenced to do anything(which is'nt the debate), but I still know what it is. I may play a violent video game for the stand in of wanting to shoot people in a war without any actual drawbacks. I'm trying to live the action movie. What it someone looking for in hardcore porn with things that are obvious minors? The poster said people were dumb for getting upset over fictional child porn as if being fictional somehow makes it better. Even though it's still child porn. What does it being fictional change? You're going to bring up games like CoD, but again I don't look at violence the same way I do sex. A hero can kill people and still be seen as this awesome person. The moment he commits sex with a minor or rape, he's bad. This is stuff basically tied into our very core and has even been in our stories forever. I'm not sure how you can compare sex and violence with they have thier own norms. But if someone made a graphic and in-depth violent child murder simulator people would be upset. Would you use the "it's just fictional" excuse for something that is clearly meant to invoke those ideas? I would say something like that went too far and even if it was fictional it would make me uncomfortable. It's not real, but the depiction is still something I don't like. I don't like the idea of kids getting murdered. Killing bad guys? Different story. Again, you seem to think I'm talking about being influenced by media. I'm not. I'm simply asking how it being fictional child porn somehow makes it better? It's a stand in for child porn is it not? I watch hentai as a stand in for real porn? It's mean for the same thing, to get me aroused. It being fictional dosen't change the fact that I'm watching it for the same reason i watch "real porn". I play CoD though, but I sure wouldn't want to watch real hardcore violent war footage. My point though is fictional child porn is still trying to be child porn is it not? That's the point, to be a stand in for child porn? Right? I mean is'nt that why you use the "it's fictional argument"? To make it clear this is'nt child porn with real people. I'll make it clear I'm talking about things that are straight up porn with really nothing of relevant substance. No what is substance is up for debate? So we'll just say it's just pictures of fictional young girls involved in sexual intercourse with no story what so ever. It's fictional, but is the intent of it to be a stand in? To show what you can't in real life?
Am I hypocrite because I let an older son do things the younger son can't? I mean the sons are similar and even related, but of course they are in two different worlds with thier own rules. Different subjects ask for you too look at them in different ways. I'm going to look at sex and violence differently. What is thier to lump together? That CoD is a murder simulator? It kind of is. It is. It's trying to simulate(in an over the top way) war. So, maybe war simulator is the better term. I mean i'm not going to walk away being influenced. Just like someone who watches anime young girls have sex may not. But of course I went to CoD looking for that visceral thing I can't do. Do you go to anime porn like that to enjoy something you can't do? |
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Rahxephon91
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But there must be an element of being inserted in sexual ideas of minors for whatever recon if you're dabbling in with this stuff. It has to be there, because why else. Maybe it is being interested in the idealized idea of innocence that is related to children. Maybe it is the taboo that excites, but again that's related the taboo of sex with minors. Whatever reason, it's there. Is that bad or good? I don't know, but clearly just because it is fictional the intent is still the same. All those things you listed could also be applied to real life child porn as well. It's clear that you would come to fictional child porn for many of the same reasons you would come to real child porn. It's just since it is fictional there's no reason to feel ashamed as none of it actually happen. Clearly I'm against child porn on principal and I'm simply against anything that encourages that. So it being fictional makes no difference. That's really all I'm trying to say that it only makes sense for me to believe that as fictional child porn is still basically the same thing as real child porn, only of course no one gets hurt. Either way, what people do isn't my business, but quite honestly I'm not going to think someone who partakes in fictional child porn is much better then those who watch real child porn. For whatever reason I find the concept of sexualized young kids very disgusting and in both cases you're dealing with things that do the same thing. |
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No it's not tied "into our core". First, I'd suggest Alan Moore 25,000 Years of Erotic Freedom. Second, what is tied into our biological core and what is reflected in ALL of human (and animal) history up until the 20th century, is that puberty marks the start of adulthood. In fact by your own reasoning, your hero having sex with a 19 year old would be considered bad since they are still minors in Japan. You are also clearly lacking in familiarity with the stories and real history. I suggest you read about Japan's own history that would shock any prude, or Greek, or Spartan, or Egyptian or Pagan European. or Roman history that completely refutes your claim Hell even in Christianity, Mary was 12 or 13 years old when she was wed to Joseph and likely bore their son at 14 and definitely no older than 15. Though to be fair, even when husbands were oldermales were also given responsibilities at that young age throughout history too. You are also basing your argument on very recent social norms (in light of history) as opposed to objective fact. I oppose any restrictions on both depictions, but the comparison with hypocrisy of accepting violence simply comes from being logically consistent as opposed to basing things on norms, or feelings or opinions. There are all sorts of norms and many conflicting ones, but none of them are fundamental, not something inherent derived from the nature of just being a person. One can say they're more ego instead of the id. Just look at the modern imagining of the Spartans in 300. That's basically your idea of "heroes". But it is also very wrong, because:
And don't forget puberty = adulthood, so you can figure out the ages involved here. |
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