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Rahxephon91
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jl07045
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As long as you cannot provide research that convincingly indicates that pictures of imagined sex with an imagined child directly or indirectly increase actual harassment, this is purely an ethical argument. Even if it would, there would still be room for lot of debate about where we draw the line with freedom of expression. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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You didn't answer his question though. A simple yes or no will do. Do you have any problems with drawings of children being anally rapped. C'mon man at least have the courage to answer. Remember they're drawings, not real human beings. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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I'll answer it, then. I find such drawings reprehensible. *However*, I don't have to like them. The artist is still free to make them, and other people should still be free to view them if they want. When you say "Do you have any problems", you seem to be purposely conflating two issues: the right of a person to make a particular drawing, and whether he is fine with viewing such a drawing. Just like the free speech saying, "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." It's the same with drawings, you can disagree with the drawing, but defend the right of the person to make such a drawing. Because, as you said, they're just drawings, not real human beings. |
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Polycell
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Cptn_Taylor
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I'm not conflating any issues. Had I done that I would have asked WHAT kind of specific problem do you have with such and such pictures. There can be many reasons why one would object to such drawings as your answer showed. For me, I have definite problems with such pictures and contrary to you think that such pictures should be banned. And yes this means that artists and not only them are to be restricted from drawing them. In my view living in a society is all about equilibrium or a social contract if you will. I think that there are circumstances were the public good outweights any kind of so-called "individual" freedom. So I don't subscribe to the idea that free expression is without limits. The legislator has a duty to balance the needs and wants of all parts of society. And that means that sometimes you are not allowed to do certain things. Be it "encite racial hate", "deny the holocaust", "be free to subscribe and express the nazi ideology" etc... |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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I could tell based on your earlier post that you felt the pics should be banned, but I'm glad that you clearly stated it. The problem with your viewpoint is that it ends up in the "I know what's good for you / this is for your own good" mindset. We won't allow these images "FOR YOUR OWN GOOD". We won't allow these beliefs "because believing this is bad for your psychological health and growth". No one gets to decide such things but me (as I'm an adult, for kids it is different). Also, in the USA at least, you *are* free to deny the holocaust and express Nazi ideologies. You won't be very popular outside of a smallish group of people, but you *can* do it. Freedom of Expression (especially political expression) is, after all, protected by the First Amendment. And, IMO, banning something doesn't make ideas or the like go away, it just criminalizes them, pushing them underground where they can't be seen, and so can't be addressed anymore. I think we already have more than enough people in our prison system as it is. And for what? Drawings? Ideas? THOUGHTS? Sorry, but I'll never agree with that sort of mentality. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and banning drawings is a road I'd rather us not take. |
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Sariachan
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I haven't any problem with any kind of fiction. At worst I won't like it (hence don't look at/read/whatever it), at best I will like it.
Simple like that. |
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Uokel
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so long as it's not real children I could careless. I don't have the right to go HEY YOU CAN'T LIKE THAT. People have opinions and they just like what they like. So long as they aren't real children
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AnimenexuS
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I see ANN posted CNN's half a** video news report on it too.
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AnimenexuS
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I'm going throw this out That censor manga is not porn. It not even close to porn. It's Dolls Fall. its horror manga
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fencer_x
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And not just straight porn. BL anime went from tasteful censorship before 2011 to "absolutely nothing more explicit than a kiss" in anime now. It's laughable comparing DVDs from before the Youth Ordinance was passed to now; even the Pope couldn't object to the content in BL anime and OVAs nowadays. |
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Rahxephon91
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Even the defense for that admits that it is. "It's not real". "No one was hurt" Well no one was hurt because instead of getting a 5 year old to blow somebody because we can't do that, we just drew it. We hope you enjoy it all the same. Should someone be able to make that? Maybe. Should some one be able to buy it? Maybe. I'm not here to decide that, but I don't buy the "it's fictional". I would still react at disgust at a drawn image of a 5 year old being raped just as I may be aroused at porn where the characters are supposed to be of age. The intent of the material is the same as if it were real life porn. Someone will try to use the false false equivalence argument with talk of violence which is dumb. They aren't the same thing at all and violence has it's own share of elements. Last edited by Rahxephon91 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:04 am; edited 1 time in total |
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revolutionotaku
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I wish that Yasuda, the late artist of Comic LO, was alive to hear about this.
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-06-26/comic-lo-magazine-manga-artist-yasuda-passes-away |
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ninjapet
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I think it's funny how the manga they showed in the video with the blood on the cover isn't an H-manga. It's a manga by the creator of Corpse party.
Anyway I'm glad that Japan is stepping in the right direction with this bill. But honestly, the real goal in the end is to try and stop physically selling H related goods in stores so it doesn't look bad in 2020 when they host the Olympics. It's the only reason why they want to try and clean up things looks wise. Since if anyone's noticed they've been doing more work on the physical retail side of trying to clean up compared to online. |
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