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KAtchan15
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I'm sure that many of us have encountered people who are strongly opinionated against anime in general. Though it can be helped, people always criticize anime in many ways. I was in a situation today where a person whom I'm not even that familiar with, started talking to me out of nowhere and started saying stereotypical comments and criticisms I didn't even ask him about. I 'm not a person who talks a lot, I do my work, and I'll answer what is asked of me, hang with friends, mind my own business and shut up. To be honest, I don't even how this guy found out that I watch anime in the first place.
Anyway, he said things such as, "American animation has more originality though, Japan just copies most of our stuff here." As expected, I just smiled and told him, "That's your opinion  " and went to back to what I was doing.
Now, I wasn't expecting this, but this guy , along with his friend [They're ugly [personality and physical appearance] , ugh... I don't usually say stuff like this, I feel like a bad person.] who sits in my group, continued telling "me" about their negative opinions about anime. I wanted to tell them how I really....REALLY... don't care whether they like it or not. If they don't then that's their business, if they do then whatever, good for them I guess?. They said "All anime Boys and Girls are always pretty, you never see any ugly characters in anime, if you do they exaggerate it." "I just don't understand, "what's the point of it??"[his friend] ETC..ETC..ETC. .[These two won't shut up, they just kept going and going  ]
What really ticked me off is when he said "All anime "S" look alike" and he laughed with his friend , they stopped there, but he was very strong on this opinion. The whole time when both of them were ranting out negative comments, I was just listening and laughing. After he said that last one, I finally told them how ignorant there were and that I didn't want to waste my time arguing with them [ I didn't yell at them or anything, said it in a calm manner] . But It was funny how I accidentally advertised ANN by saying "Go and join the Anime News Network forums or something and argue with them on that, you guys are too ignorant to be saying things like this." That guy was so proud, he sounded like and elitist because O0o0oh He's Seen "some" ANIME' "S" [tch! ] like Bleach, Inuyasha and Pokemon etc. and they were all pointless.
Everyone has a right for their opinion, but when someone's trying to force their beliefs on you [He asked me "Why" I watch it, simply because I want to!!. Why the hell should I have to explain myself to anyone? his tone sounded as if he was telling me NOT to watch it.], isn't that a bit irritating? Sorry the story took so long, just thought I'd share it. Has any of you ever really been pushed to your limits [concerning anime] that you just HAD to say something? What are your comments on this? [It's a not a big deal but some of the things they said aren't the typical stuff I hear from those who dislike anime, I was kind of shocked in a way. They made it sound as if anime is evil.] By the way, please delete this thread if it's unsuited to be in this forum. Last edited by KAtchan15 on Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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DragonsRevenge
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That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. American animation has been sh*t for going on ten years now, if not longer. And I'm not even making any comparisons to US animation with any other country. Also the "AnimeS" thing doesnt bother me anymore. What does is Japanime, Japanimation, etc. As far as negative stereotypes about the content itself "Big eyes, cutsey, sex, pokemon, DBZ" one look at a Kon, or Miyazaki film usually shuts them up. |
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frentymon
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Now that's just blatantly untrue. If you're going to call out the anime haters, don't go and pretty much do the same thing yourself. |
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KAtchan15
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@DragonsRevenge
No actually the AnimeS thing never bothered me before, I don't care, I was just trying to point out how ignorant they are because if you would've been there to see how these guys were acting you'd point out that little flaw as well. They sound like THEY KNOW EVERYTHING. I just hate that. They didn't just criticize Anime itself, they constantly say prejudice stuff against Japan too. I just didn't want to waste my time on them anymore. But I wanted to hear what others might say. Since I feel a bit guilty maybe I should've said something as a comeback but I didn't I just told them that they were ignorant. 
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DragonsRevenge
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Hmm.. I did a small rant on this subject before. Let me see if I can find it. Edit: Found it.
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KAtchan15
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I think that both types of Animation [Anime and American] have their own advantages. That is why I can never say that one is better than the other, both vary in style, story and quality. It's too broad to judge and say which one of the two is superior. Disney's good, can't argue about that and many other companies as well. Then again, anime is really amusing to watch too.
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fujiwara
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I've never met any one, even at my school where anime is held in no high regard, who seeks to just rant on about its flaws. When a negative comment is made about anime, it's usually just an off-handed remark, because frankly, everyone would rather talk about the NRL than mock anime. Unless you question their remark, the content of the conversation generally drifts elsewhere.
That's pretty darn stupid. Most american animation around these days are just superheroes from the golden age of comic books. Any cartoon that is not based off a comic book generally contains some sort of super hero, or at the least, supernaturally or technologically empowered protagonists. Besides, I've seen a whole lot more anime-influenced-US cartoons as opposed to US cartoon-influenced-anime. I think you're overreacting a little. He doesn't like anime just like how I don't like today's breed of American cartoons. What ever happened to Scooby-Doo or Yosemite Sam? BN: I'm only referring to tv shows here, Like Ben 10 or Justice League, not the Disney movies, which are awesome. Last edited by fujiwara on Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Spotlesseden
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if that's copy. then it also impossible to have original film(not to copy), not just anime.
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Drowning_Wolf
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I thought most cartoon these day were episodic-comedic stuff à la Family Guy, Futurama or South Park. As for anime-influenced-US cartoons, well I know Avatar (well, Team Galaxy had been produced in partnership with a couple of countries including the Us), but aside from that one? |
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Treetastic
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These guys appear to be very uninformed. I'm glad I really don't know anyone like that... wait, I do have one friend who was laughing at the graphic novels at our local library because they weren't really manga (they *were* Watchmen and Astro City). Watchmen happens to be one of my favourite comics of all time, so you can imagine my feelings about this statement. Any fan can be elitist about their hobby; like you said, it's just their opinion. But opinions can be quite rude sometimes, can't they?
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jetz
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Actually I've never met anyone that "insulted" my love for anime before (but I did meet some people who assumed that I watch anime saying that I looked like it), but what those guys did to you was just terrible. Don't they have anything else to do?
About the comparisons about american animation and anime - Honestly, the only thing they have in common is that they're both animated. I think both are totally different - and I watch one or the other for different reasons as well. So you can't say that one is better over the other. And the animeS thing, I think that's acceptable if you don't know that anime is already in plural form. I try to tell people that it's simply anime and you don't have to add the "s" in the end, but some people are just ignorant. |
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Sarene
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Hahahahahahahaha, what? That may be the single most absurd argument against anime I have ever heard [read] in my entire life! I don't think it is physically possible to be more ignorant than that. Wow... I'm pretty much a recluse in the real world. I have very few friends, and since I've grown, I don't interact with people very much other than what is necessary for work and college. But from time to time, when someone finds out I'm an anime addict, and that person despises anime, arguments tend to happen. It always boils down to ignorance. Them thinking that all anime is like DBZ, Inuyasha, and Pokemon. It drives me insane. Here's one story i particular: I was at work, on my lunch break in the staff lounge. I had a manga in my hand, reading while I was eating [I don't remember what I was reading, though], and one of my co-workers walked into the room. Normally our boss tries to make it so that only two people are on break at a time, so it was just me and him. After a few awkward minutes of him just staring at me, and me trying to ignore him behind the book, he finally grabbed it out of my hands and said "Why do you like this crap? It's just silly, girlie cartoons of half-naked chicks and guys that also look like chicks. It's Japanese-jibber jabber." He then thumbed through a couple of pages, glared at it, and then threw it down on the table in front of me rather crudely.......... I could've stabbed him, honestly. It would have felt really good. Too bad my job makes us only have plastic utensils in the back! haha. Anyways, we start arguing. He says that all he has seen is quite literally to stuff they play on FOX on Saturday mornings and Toonami on Cartoon Network. But, he is one of those thickheaded people, and no matter where the argument went, it only ended because I had to get back to work. It took a couple of weeks for me to be able to tolerate him again. |
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Kruszer
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Opinions are like a**holes...well you probabally know the rest of the saying.
If somebody is like that I tell them politely that their full of s*** (well not that phrase exactly I'm more diplomatic than that ), cite numerous examples to the contrary, and tell them to explore them if they want to see what I mean. If they became irrational I would tell them so and leave. If they were open minded I'd explain further.
I don't really have anybody to talk with about anime aside from the regulars in my anime club that's why I'm here, and I don't go mentioning it unless it relates directly to the conversation. On the other with all the anime shirts I have and wear regularly it's not some big secret I keep either. I couldn't really care less what people think as I like what I like and if someone else doesn't fine I don't really care too much though I might be curious as to why. |
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Kouji
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The statement that America is more original han Japan is absurd. Japan doesn't rip off America. While anime's origins did draw its influence from American animation, the plots are widely different from each other. Saying that Japan copies from America is like saying America copies from Japan. Neither of them is true because both countries have their own unique flavors. The statement that all anime characters are attractive is also hypocritical because you can say the same thing about American animation. When was the last time you ever saw an ugly character in an American cartoon? Or even look at Hollywood films. When was the last time you saw a celebrity in Hollywood that looks ugly? Of course anime characters are going to look attractive because like any other form of entertainment, it's made to attract viewers and that's what works . Other forms of entertainment have just as many attractive characters as anime. Besides, not all anime characters are attractive. Just look at the normalcy of the human characters in Spirited Away or the ugly witches Yubaba and Zeniba. Or what about Satoshi Kon's Tokyo Godfathers where the main characters are all old men. Even a children's anime like One Piece has more abstract character designs than attractive. And certainly not all anime characters look alike. Just compare the styles of Miyazaki to Akira Toriyama or Rumiko Takahashi to Hiromu Arakawa and try telling me they all look the same. Even the same artists can use different styles in their series. Compare the flowery art style in CCS to the more darker and moodier style of X even though both are shoujo anime from CLAMP. Unfortunately, all I can tell you to do is ignore them. Ignorant people like that usually aren't worth bothering with anyway.
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fighterholic
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In all honesty, anime has been around for a long time, and so has American cartoons. The difference between the two is that anime since the beginning has had storylines to most of its series, while American cartoons (Looney Tunes, Disney) have just had short episodes to entertain in the name of the comedy genre. And if I'm not mistaken, Walt Disney drew inspiration from works by Osamu Tezuka.
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