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rosebrook11
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Group A-1
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms The Twelve Kingdoms Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi World of Mushishi Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Stern Bild City I'm in love with the whole concept behind this series and the way that they use the city to link in with Hero TV as well as the general plot of the show. (Mainly the use of the city's overall structure at the halfway point. Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise Aqua Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Land of the Beast Gods Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon 18th Century France This is how you take a historical setting and make it entirely your own. I was astonished how the series succeeded so well in both showing the setting of the time, with the gorgeous details of the Versailles palace, and how it added on its own elements with the Gargoyles and the conspriacies. Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Academy City Amgerground certainly is gorgeous, but I feel like most of its stregnth in its settign resides on its visual appeal, while Academy City really makes up its own story with its own rules. Each arc in both Index and Railgun really add to the story behind the city and reveal different attitudes that can be present. Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise I am completely in love with the World of Wolf's Rain. I love the subtle nature of how the show presents the world to the viewers. It's not a story that gives all the answers in the first episode, but gradually integrates the viewer into the world so that they will be able to experience it for themselves. There's a natural confusion surrounding the world, just as the members of that world are confused about all of the happenings involving the Nobles, their keeps, the wolves and most importantly Paradise. |
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Key
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Group A-1
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms Galap tried to make an argument against The Twelve Kingdom here, but the simple fact is that, even if one accepts his complaints, the 12K is still a vastly and much more meticulously developed setting than what the Slayers franchise can offer. Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi Shinobi World, because beyond the fascinating nature of the mushi, I never got much of a sense of world-building from its competitor. And the mushi and the tone the series sets are not enough to defeat the extensive ninja world that Naruto establishes. Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Tough call here, and I've seen both. While Tuskuru does some neat things (especially once the setting's backstory gets figured in), it just doesn't create as visually or culturally distinctive a setting as Stern Bild City does. This is a city entirely reimagined with a focus on heroes, something which even few super hero comic books have ever done, and has some truly spectacular architecture. Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise This one is the reason why I didn't vote until late Sunday night, as I wanted to see the arguments from others both ways. Those haven't cleared anything up, as it sounds like people who have seen both are split in their opinions. I am going with Aqua here because I find the arguments in that direction a little more compelling. Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Could see this one going either way. I am favoring Land of the Beast Gods because the richness and uniqueness of the setting, with its ingrained legendary quality and greater sense of history, makes a stronger impression. Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon Wow, another tough one. The setting of Le Chevalier is an interesting and distinctive twist on the standard rendition of the time period, with a well-developed sense of intrigue and creative interpretations of actual historical figures and events, but Paradigm City is just such a fantastic and well-developed concept that I cannot deny it yet. Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Not an easy one here, either. Still think Amberground is a very cool concept, and this one is very close, but I am going with Academy City on the basis that it is multilayered enough, and delves enough into the side effects that an extensive population of espers can have on a setting (the mere concept of AIM Diffusion Fields and what can result from them is a spectacular notion), to earn the win. Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise Macross franchise. I will freely admit that I may be biased here, as I am not a fan of WR, but I was not especially impressed with its setting, either. The emphasis on music, and how it can shape (and sometimes resolve) conflicts, makes Macross's collection of settings distinctive, and individual elements within certain settings (such as the virtual idol of Macross Plus or the differing attitudes on cybernetics in Macross Frontier, or the religion in Macross Zero) make each component stand out on its own. |
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Errinundra
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Group A-1
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms Even though I share Galap's reservations about The Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms, it's still top rank material. Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushi-Shi, Mushi-Shi World of Mushi-Shi, Mushi-Shi: I also share Key's reservations about Mushi-Shi but, again, it's still good enough to get by Naruto. Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise Aqua, Aria franchise: None of the arguments for the France of The Rose of Versailles have been enough to make me vote against my nomination. (And, thanks for the picture, Key.) Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise: I've seen neither and, while Amberground seems more appealing to my tastes the arguments for Academy City are more convincing. Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain: The arguments in its favour suggest that Macross Universe has "bigger" world building while the arguments in its favour suggest Wolf's Rain has "better" world building. I'll go with the arguments that fit the tourmament better. |
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marie-antoinette
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I have to disagree. While it may not have a literal image in the sense that the world is really too big to show in a picture, I think it has a distinct look as far as frozen, post-apocalyptic wastelands go. It is also a world that has a lot going on but with very little explicitly spelled out, which I think works in its favour because you are also catching new details or getting new ideas (I recently heard a new theory about all the nobles being descended from wolves, which I am interested to keep in mind during my next re-watch). I am pretty sure Wolf's Rain is the anime that I have re-watched in its entirety the most and the fact that the world is rich enough that I can still learn new things is very impressive. |
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farichada
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Group A-1
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms Perfect? No, but I still think The Twelve Kingdoms is one of the strongest choicest available even with its minor weaknesses, which should only potentially slow it down in the later rounds. The level of meticulous care and hugely expansive world here blows pretty much anything out of the world. I would agree it is a bit overly ambitious, but that's hardly a second round deal breaker. Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi Pretty much agree with Key on this. Shinobi World, because beyond the intriguing nature and concept of the mushi, there isn't a whole lot going for it. There is a notable weakness in both the depth and complexity departments. While I agree their presence sets the imaginative tone, it simply doesn't hold up against the world of ninjas that almost borders on being excessively big present in the Naruto franchise. Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Extremely conflicted here. Stern Bild City pretty much due to the cool architecture and setting that seems almost perfectly tailored for our super heroes and heroines. Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise May be a tad bit biased. Aqua because I find that world to be far more inviting and I don't have to tolerate the cloying nature of some of the design choices made in the world of Rose of Versailles. I also agree with someone else said that RoV is more driven by the drama than the expansive world. I also feel that many other shows with an European setting do it better in the style and tone departments. Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Extremely tough choice. Land of the Beast Gods does have that ultimate tier richness and uniqueness quality of the setting that can really only be found in Miyazaki film. CG does arguably have the more expansive world, but I feel that CG's world has far too many flaws that outweigh its strengths, the inconsistent tone, the focus on drama over world and the sometimes overly idealized or sparse backgrounds. Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon Conceptually Paradigm City may have a slight edge, but you cannot undervalue the painstaking effort and attention to detail that went into crafting the world of Le Chavlier, 18th Century France. The breath taking architecture both inside and out is quite well researched. Sure, it is definitely on the quirky side of the spectrum with magic, cross-dressing and the undead, but I believe that only solidifies its place an uniquely developed and distinctive world. Again it just feels more well thought out and carefully researched; that's just something that the other choice simply doesn't offer. I didn't even know about the extras on the boxeset went into all of the detail that went into crafting and researching the world until someone else mentioned it and this is evidence that should weigh heavily in favor of this world. It is a crime that I even overlooked it in the first place!! Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise It appears there's a general consensus that Academy City is more multifaceted and deep enough to outshine the potentially better concept of Amberland. Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise It pains me to vote for anything as majestically awesome as Wolf's Rain, but I feel that its choice of what the setting should mean doesn't exactly fit well in a tournament like this. The key details and explicitly detailed imagery simply are not there. Plus, the Macross franchise has probably one of the most distinctive flavors in its worlds as a brand when it comes to the mecha genre that just oozes with distinctiveness. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Group A-9
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms Choosing: Twelve Kingdoms While Galap does raise a few points, some of which bugged me when I was watching Twelve Kingdoms, Slayers still doesn't offer a world that's nearly as interesting. Group A-10 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi Choosing: Shinobi World While Mushishi takes place in a lush and vibrant world, I feel that the mushi being so different and the stories being unconnected don't make a single majestic world so much as 26 little vivid ones. Naruto, for all its wacky ninja antics, does have a well thought set of rules governing ninja abilities, as well as a moderately complex political landscape. Group A-11 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Choosing: Stern Bild City Props to Tiger & Bunny for the episode where they visit the superhero academy and we get to see that sometime super powers are just kind of useless. Group A-12 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise Choosing: Aqua As elegant as Rose's France is, Aria has a reputation for being the show you watch when you want to visit a relaxing, peaceful world. Group A-13 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Choosing: Land of the Beast Gods Group A-14 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon Choosing: 18th Century Europe Group A-15 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Choosing: Amberground Academy City is a fascinating idea, but there's just too much stupid going around in the series. When Accelerator, whose power is to instantly change the vector of anything, including bullets or the air around him, is beaten by a mundane who just reverses the direction of his punches, that's just a sign that the writer can't be bothered to think through the fictional universe's own rules. Group A-16 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise Choosing: Macross Universe Admittedly, I've never seen Wolf's Rain (even though I picked it up from RightStuf a couple months ago; I've been busy with school), but the arguments for it here haven't been enough to sway me. Besides the distinct style of space dog-fighting and pop idols, Macross has plenty of depth going for it in regard to the anthropological history of its inhabitants. The Zentradi are a race of giants created specifically for war who ended up destroying their creators, but their encounter with humanity transforms their society. |
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WhiteHairGirls
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Group A-1
Twelve Kingdoms Group A-2 World of Mushi-Shi Group A-3 Stern Bild City Group A-4 Aqua Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods This one was the toughest to pick, as both had good world buildings. But I will give the edge to Mononoke because like a few others have said the world building was more important in Mononoke than in CG. Group A-6 18th Century France Group A-7 Academy City Group A-8 World of Wolf's Rain[/b] |
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Tris8
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Really busy week, almost forgot to vote!
Group A-1 World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms Twelve Kingdoms Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi Shinobi World easily. I have seen both and love Mushishi, but Naruto does a better job world-building. The relations between nations, the history it builds with the Great Shinobi Wars, the way missions are classified according to difficulty and danger level, the Chunnin exams, the Ninja Academy..... this world is one of the most real I've ever seen in anime and it is a damn shame it looks like it is getting knocked out so early. Shinobi World is top 10 material. Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Stern Bild City because of Key's comments. Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise Aqua Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Holy Brittanian Empire Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon Le Chevalier Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Academy City Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise Macross franchise. I have seen and love Wolf's Rain, but the world-building is not its strong point. |
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mow123
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Group A-1
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms The Twelve Kingdoms Galap did mention a few weaknesses in these entry, but compared to the world of Slayers, Twelve Kingdoms is far more developed, larger and interesting. Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi World of Mushishi The alluring nature of the world is what drives this show and keep it interesting. The whole series is devoted into uncovering the mysteries of that world. Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono Tuskuru Not feeling the hero city archetype here especially when Tuskuru is more influential to the plot and setting up the elaborate backstory. Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise Aqua Inviting, warm and beautiful. It made be tad vacuous compared to some the heavy hitters, but it is important not to underestimate the power that this setting is able to evoke in people. It's very nature is crucial in developing its feel good atmosphere as well as feeling like a livable or at least an idealized one at the very least. Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Land of the Beast Gods The Code Geass world is pretty huge, but I feel it lacks focus unlike the strangely unique and breath taking world found in Princess Mononoke. Again, it hard to compete against one of Miyzaki's masterpieces here since the artistic detail here is in a league of its own. Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon 18th Century France I feel that this one of the better adapted historical setting despite the fantasy elements. The details of the Versailles palace, the costumes, and even the outside architecture really help sell the time period and set the tone. Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Academy City Don't know much about either, but the general consensus is that Amberland is bit underwhelming. Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise the World of Wolf's Rain. Excellent world with subtle and realistic development. Things aren't spelled out or as explicit as you would expect and that is a good thing. The Macross Universe in comparison comes off as a bit cheesy and too anime-esque. |
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Olliff
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Vote change in Group A-8. The details are in my original post.
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getchman
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Group A-1
World of Slayers, Slayers franchise vs. Twelve Kingdoms, The Twelve Kingdoms haven't seen Slayers, and while I'm currently stalled about midway into 12 Kingdoms, what I've seen looks far better than what what arguments for slayers has to offer. vote goes to 12K Group A-2 Shinobi World, Naruto franchise vs. World of Mushishi, Mushishi Mushishi Group A-3 Stern Bild City, Tiger and Bunny vs. Tuskuru, Utawarerumono tough decision, but I'm going to go with Stern Bild City for exactly the same reason as Key Group A-4 France, The Rose of Versailles vs. Aqua, Aria franchise I have not seen either of these shows, But everything thing I have heard about the world of Aria leads me to believe that this is the show I should be voting for. Group A-5 Land of the Beast Gods, Princess Mononoke vs. Holy Brittanian Empire, Code Geass franchise Land of the Beast Gods Group A-6 Paradigm City, The Big O vs. 18th Century France, Le Chevalier d’Eon Big O Group A-7 Amberground, Tegami Bachi: Letter Bee/Reverse vs. Academy City, A Certain Magical Index franchise Academy City Group A-8 World of Wolf’s Rain, Wolf’s Rain vs. Macross Universe, Macross franchise[/quote] haven't seen these shows, so voting for Macross based on the arguments I've seen |
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Key
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Round 2 Group A is now closed.
Wow, that was a flurry of late voting this week! With 20 votes in the results - and yes, we have another tie! A-9: Twelve Kingdoms slew Slayers, 19-1. A-10: World of Mushishi defeated Snobi World, 14-6. A-11: Stern Bild City stormed back to overcome Tusukuru, 12-8. A-12: Aqua soothes France into oblivion, 15-5. A-13: Land of the Beast Gods goes demonic on Holy Britannian Empire, 15-5. A-14: 18th Century Europe outlasts Paradigm City, 12-8. A-15: Academy City goes esper on Amberground, 14-6. A-16: World of Wolf's Rain could never put away Macross Universe and thus ends up in a tie, 10-10. Quite a bit of movement this round, with several of the matches being tighter midway through than what the final results showed. Stern Bild City stormed back after getting killed early in A-11, A-14 was neck-and-neck until the last few votes, and while WWR had the lead most of the time in A-16, it could never pull away. That sets up a really messy A-20 match next round, as I have no idea who might come out ahead in an Academy City/WWR/Macross contest. (There was no discernible correlation between AC and either WWR or Macross votes, either.) Anyway, next round is ready to go and should be up in a few. |
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Key
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Round 2 Group B is now closed.
Results can be found here. We've had three ties in the last two weeks after none the first three. Will we see another one here? Group B-9 World of Magi, Magi vs. World of Beast Player Erin, Beast Player Erin Group B-10 World of Chrono Crusade, Chrono Crusade vs. New Yogo Empire, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit Group B-11 World of Madoka Magica, Puella Magi Madoka Magica vs. World of Inuyasha, Inuyasha Group B-12 Bath House of the Gods, Spirited Away vs. Universe of the Four Gods, Fushigi Yugi Group B-13 Nausicaa’s Post-Apocalyptic Earth, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind vs. Alfheim Online, Sword Art Online Fairy Dance arc Group B-14 World of One Piece, One Piece vs. Kingdom of Midland, Berserk Group B-15 Victorian England, Victorian Romance Emma vs. Saiunkoku, The Story of Saiunkoku Group B-16 Setting of Blast of Tempest, Blast of Tempest vs. Amestris, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Last edited by Key on Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:52 am; edited 2 times in total |
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rheiders
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Group B-9
World of Magi, Magi Since BPE is based on a book by the Moribito author I'm sure its world is fantastic. I also fully expect it to blow its opponent out of the water, so I'll give Magi at least my vote.  I've been rewatching it with friends lately and the world it creates really is unique and a ton of fun. There's a lot of variety to the different countries and peoples the characters encounter but the world still feels cohesive, like I could draw a pretty accurate map of it if I tried.
Group B-10 New Yogo Empire, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit Hopefully I don't need to argue for this one quite yet. Group B-11 World of Madoka Magica, Puella Magi Madoka Magica I don't think world-building is PMMM's strength, but I think the mechanics and look of its world are stronger than Inuyasha's more generic fantasy world that never felt entirely grounded for me. Group B-12 Bath House of the Gods, Spirited Away Group B-13 Nausicaa’s Post-Apocalyptic Earth, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind Nausicaa is far from my favorite Ghibli movie, but it creates a heart-breakingly beautiful world. Even though I don't like the movie very much I can acknowledge that its world-building is very well-done. Group B-14 Kingdom of Midland, Berserk Group B-15 Victorian England, Victorian Romance Emma I like Saimono a lot, but I consider Emma the strongest historical setting in the tournament. When it comes to creating a setting that is alive and real, Kaoru Mori can't be beat. I think some people aren't seeing a difference between writing a history textbook and writing a good work of historical fiction. There's a difference between listing facts about a place that doesn't exist anymore and creating a fictional version of it that moves and breathes just as well as any modern-day reality. When I watch/read Emma, I feel like I know the streets of 19th century London, a world that may as well be pure fantasy to me, as well as I know my own neighborhood, and that's pretty impressive. Group B-16 Amestris, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Same as Yogo. |
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Aylinn
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Group B-9
World of Magi, Magi vs. World of Beast Player Erin, Beast Player Erin World of Beast Player Erin I would need to hear very strong arguments for the other world to change my mind. Like in Moribito, Uehashi has created a great, vivid world. Group B-10 World of Chrono Crusade, Chrono Crusade vs. New Yogo Empire, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit New Yogo Empire Group B-11 World of Madoka Magica, Puella Magi Madoka Magica vs. World of Inuyasha, Inuyasha World of Inuyasha My main problems with Inuyasha is the plot, which becomes repetitive and is only interesting at the beginning, and character development, which is almost non-existent in Rumiko's works. The world itself is interesting enough to get my vote. Madoka Magica's world is ultimately a very simple one. It makes you wander that no one before Madoka came up with an idea that would spoil Kyubey’s plans. I suppose that if Madoka herself took initiative from the beginning, talked properly to Homura and used her brain, the show would be at least two times shorter. Group B-12 Bath House of the Gods, Spirited Away vs. Universe of the Four Gods, Fushigi Yugi Bath House of the Gods Group B-13 Nausicaa’s Post-Apocalyptic Earth, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind vs. Alfheim Online, Sword Art Online Fairy Dance arc Nausicaa’s Post-Apocalyptic Earth Group B-14 World of One Piece, One Piece vs. Kingdom of Midland, Berserk World of One Piece Group B-15 Victorian England, Victorian Romance Emma vs. Saiunkoku, The Story of Saiunkoku Victorian England Group B-16 Setting of Blast of Tempest, Blast of Tempest vs. Amestris, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Amestris |
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