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Dargonxtc
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:47 pm
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Well if all the pictures and files are correct it is pretty damning.
But I will say, it is a pretty nice picture though.
I wonder why they just didn't pay this guy as soon as he came forward?
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Animedude35
Joined: 29 Jul 2005
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Location: Dallas, Texas
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:52 pm
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It's because the publisher is a non-profit organization, so they probably had no money to give HOON the original creator. Anyways, reading their forums a little bit, if they resolve this issue, they will get 3 exclusive cover arts from HOON in high quality files. So it's all good that they resolved it quickly as possible, because copying work is bad
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jgreen
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:20 pm
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My name on ANN. MAN, that feels good!
Dargonxtc wrote: | Well if all the pictures and files are correct it is pretty damning. |
It's completely obvious how stolen the piece is. The second "artist" simply cropped Hoon's picture to remove his signature off of the bottom. The guy even tried to claim that he had simply used Hoon's as the basis for his own new drawing, which is just obviously not true, as they're the same down the last pixel.
I hope Future Quake sues the pants off of this guy.
Quote: | I wonder why they just didn't pay this guy as soon as he came forward? |
Well, that wouldn't solve the fact that the entire print run is out there with somebody else's name signed to his artwork. Really, what Hoon is asking for is not only within his rights, it's actually pretty cool of him to be as understanding as he is.
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domino
Joined: 25 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:31 pm
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I don't know what's more disgusting: the fact that this person stole the art and pretended it was his own or the fact that after being pointed out as a thief, he STILL tried to claim that it was a copy that he painted himself "based on" the original piece.
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marie-antoinette
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:43 pm
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Art theft is just really unexcusable, but I have to admit my main shock at this is that the original artist actually found out about it, considering he lives in the US and the magazine is from the UK.
I also think FutureQuake and HOON have been dealing with this very well, the best way they could have...and I expect the FQ will be needing more substantial proof in the future about the authenticity of art sent to them.
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shirokiryuu
Joined: 11 May 2005
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Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area)
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:24 pm
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marie-antoinette wrote: | Art theft is just really unexcusable, but I have to admit my main shock at this is that the original artist actually found out about it, considering he lives in the US and the magazine is from the UK.
I also think FutureQuake and HOON have been dealing with this very well, the best way they could have...and I expect the FQ will be needing more substantial proof in the future about the authenticity of art sent to them. |
heck, it surprised me that he was from the same area i'm from (Bay Area of CA)
I think it has been resolved very nicely. I'm glad everyone was nice to each other. Although i can understand how bad it must feel to be plagerised. People need to have more shame.
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.Sy
Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:37 pm
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When I first clicked the link to the art in question, I wasn't expecting that particular picture. Seriously, what kind of idiot tries to plagiarize HOON? If you see a picture that good, chances are you're not the only person who's seen it.
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Shiroi Hane
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Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Wales
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:26 pm
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Quote: | ..offered an exchange copy to all readers who return their copy of the issue |
Would anyone really give up the "limited edition" for a regular one?
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hagakure|returns
Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:37 pm
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marie-antoinette wrote: | Art theft is just really unexcusable, but I have to admit my main shock at this is that the original artist actually found out about it, considering he lives in the US and the magazine is from the UK.
I also think FutureQuake and HOON have been dealing with this very well, the best way they could have...and I expect the FQ will be needing more substantial proof in the future about the authenticity of art sent to them. |
Deviantart is a huge community and people really look out for each other there so it's easy for someone to see the picture somewhere and notify the original artist.
One thing is for sure though: FutureQuake is getting a lot of publicity for this controversy and more people are now aware of the magazine.
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bob_loblaw
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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Location: Tanning in Hell
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:25 pm
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jgreen wrote: | Really, what Hoon is asking for is not only within his rights, it's actually pretty cool of him to be as understanding as he is. |
Yeah. HOON's being very understanding here.
Most freelance artists would've sent a written letter (similar to HOON's post) along with an invoice/bill. If that went ignored, then they [might] send it again. If the company/infringer doesn't respond after that, then things may have to get a little ugly. Infringement and theft of original art CANNOT be tolerated, under any circumstances.
Small-press or not, in this day and age I think it's important that these things are always handled with binding, legal agreements. Even if there's ZERO money exchanged, FUTUREQUAKE should've sent the [rip-off] "artist" paperwork to allowing them to use the work on their cover.
And, no, it's not "going a little overboard", in case that's what some of you may be thinking. There are many books on the market out there to help the self-employed and small businesses/groups (non-profit or not) draw up these legal documents. It's all about protecting yourself from, well, yourself and asswipes like "Pekka Mäki-Kuutti".
FUTUREQUAKE might've avoided this whole mess with a little digging and an exchange of John Hancocks. If this "Pekka Mäki-Kuutti" was who they said they were, they would've had little problems accepting a PDF/faxed agreement, reviewing it, choosing to sign it, then scaning it and sending it back.
"Good faith" has a way of biting you in the ass (as it's done here). You can't just take people on the INTERNETs at their word; especially, when it comes to stuff like this.
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Successful_Troll
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:50 pm
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They've still got this line in the description:
Quote: | wrapped in a truly magical cover. |
Judging by, oh...every other comic on that site I'm sure that's soon to change. Obviously the giveaway something was wrong was when the cover didn't totally suck. Say, what are the odds of seeing a HOON artbook? That would make for a nice apology.
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puck
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:51 pm
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marie-antoinette wrote: | I have to admit my main shock at this is that the original artist actually found out about it, considering he lives in the US and the magazine is from the UK. |
HOON's art studio has a branch in the UK--but that's neither here nor there since it's the internet, and he's a global, professional artist. It's not that hard to track down theft.
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.Sy
Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:03 pm
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Bob Loblaw wrote: | There are many books on the market out there to help the self-employed and small businesses/groups (non-profit or not) draw up these legal documents. It's all about protecting yourself from, well, yourself and asswipes like "Pekka Mäki-Kuutti". |
I never really thought about those books very much, but it would be a good idea for any artist or writer to check out since some DA members claim to be notified of art theft ever week. As long as they aren't thousand page long legal textbooks...
Successful_Troll wrote: | Say, what are the odds of seeing a HOON artbook? That would make for a nice apology. |
I think there was a limited edition Mess Studio artbook that came out a while back.
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hanachan01
Joined: 11 Dec 2005
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:45 am
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[sarcasm]Wow, another art stolen from dA. I'm shocked [/sarcasm]
As a member of dA, you see this stuff happening every day. So when I heard the HOON's art got stolen, it wasn't "Really?!", it was "Another one?" This type of thing happens all of the time. However, when it's in print format, then it's bigger than your typical internet art thief.
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