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NEWS: Trigger's Little Witch Academia 2 Meets Kickstarter Goal

Great, here's another chance for me to cut and paste my previous posts regarding anything Kickstarter.

Why don't you....

How is it panhandling when people are getting something for their money?

......given proverbial life support through the donations of a small minority, or in cases like this where some people are clamoring for a dub and want 'control' over how this project goes.......

Are you for real who is taking to take control? How is asking for the consideration of a stretch goal taking control?

Blood- wrote:

How is it panhandling when people are getting something for their money?

Surrender Artist described the basic process, however there is then a moral and ethical issue when it comes to established companies who have money, but decide they do not want to fund something themselves so they just throw a Kickstarter up and say "Hey, you guys pay for this, we don't want to despite being fully able to" which sadly I've seen people do. Imagine if EA said 'We could make new DLC for the new Call of Duty, but how about you guys fund it for us instead?" Even if people get something for their donation, is it still something that should have been done in the first place?

The eventual slippery slope with Kickstarter is it can also lead to incredibly masturbatory projects. Either with projects that would otherwise be doomed and crash in the market because there is no market for them, and indeed, the market might be better off without, can be given proverbial life support through the donations of a small minority, or in cases like this where some people are clamoring for a dub and want 'control' over how this project goes. What happens if Trigger has to start letting in the fans make decisions for them rather than just doing it themselves? What if they can no longer make the LWA they want and have to compromise with the fans who feel they have a stake in the project just because they threw twenty bucks at them? This isn't the first time I've seen this, I've seen so much stupid drama over letting fans decide and pick things and all the infighting that goes on between everyone.

People are behaving as if dub fans wouldn't be contributing to the stretch goal; it's not as if they would be piggy backing free.

It does not look like I will be pledging to this after all.

jet_ wrote:

You don't want to give Trigger some of your money to make more LWA because there won't be a dub?

Yes

BL wrote:

jet_ wrote: You don't want to give Trigger some of your money to make more LWA because there won't be a dub? Yes

What in the world are you even complaining about?....

.....you most certainly won't (or aren't) contributing to anything whatsoever.....

.....so spare us your self-entitled barking, please.

Well just remember that Trigger asked backers for feedback. It's not as though people donated and then started kicking down doors demanding a dub.

At this rate I think it's clear there will be sufficient funds for a lot of nice things & a fine sequel.

I [think of] using THIS CASE as an example of how ANY kickstarter supporters try to influence the project.

GWOtaku wrote:

Well just remember that Trigger asked backers for feedback. It's not as though people donated and then started kicking down doors demanding a dub. At this rate I think it's clear there will be sufficient funds for a lot of nice things & a fine sequel.

Well, it's not like they said: "Tell us what you want, it's all up to you". It sounded like they already have their own plans but will take feedback into consideration. In any case, I was running the numbers using purely the labor rate for animation from Trigger's own estimation and quoted figures labor rate for English voice acting, and I am not so sure there would be enough to satisfy everyone (dub vs content/extra eps)

Judging by their rate of $150,000 for an extra 15 mins, that means an extra 5 mins of content would be $50,000. So let's assume they went ahead with 5 more mins to make a full LWA 3 episode (they already had LWA 2 funded; this was for the extra 15 mins)

So total cost so far: $200,000

Now dubs. The nominal rate for the labor alone via Shawne Kleckner and others is $10,000 per ep it's $30,000 so far per supported language, *not* including planning, overhead for contracting out to international studios, etc. Since there are international backers and from judging from their survey, they will include other languages. If they are dubbing all subbed languages that's $210,000. The total cost would then be $410,000 which is more than the current funding.

I've been tracking the kickstarter page and current rate of pledging is slowing down drastically. The pledges are still trickling in, but it's nowhere near the huge initial burst. They will very likely be able to reach $410,000 but I think it will be much further out. We'll need more days of sampling to determine how much the rate is slowing down. I've used Kicktraq but I don't think they compute the slope on a day to day basis for their projections. It may be running average slope or something like that.

To have a more complete series with fleshed out universe, let's say it takes 3 more episodes. That's an extra $600,000. So now total cost of content alone is $800,000.

Fulfilling an international dub for 6 episodes costs $600,000 at minimum. Not counting costs of planning, recruiting voice talent, basically fees for contracting out international dubs for French, Spanish, etc. So the total need for a half-cour show would be at least $1,400,000, not counting overhead. Let's say we throw in $20,000 studio overhead per language, that's an extra $120,000

I have serious doubts that they will be able to achieve BOTH demands for dubs and extra content--specifically extra episodes. Luckily their survey shows people are more reasonable in prioritizing content first

Your numbers are way off. Time of Eve was only going to cost $35k to dub and thats an entire movie from a quite popular studio(for anime anyway).

STRETCH GOAL: $50,000 English DUB! See update #2!

We love you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But we were looking at $50K+ out of pocket to produce the dub and Blu-ray. It was just too much risk for a small studio like Directions. So we shelved our dream.

I don't think its a good idea to dub it because the kickstarter was about extending the anime and I think its unfair to a lot of backers who don't have English as a primary language.