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Animeking1108
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What anime do you think should have handled their villains better?
All the major villains- Fullmetal Alchemist '03- Now, before the '03 series purist call me some bandwagon manga fanboy, I still like the '03 series. However, there's no excusing how poorly executed the villains defeats were. The only one that had an epic defeat was spoiler[Kimblee]. First, let's start with spoiler[Bradley]. He could have easily avoided his death if he didn't spoiler[give Selim the key to his skull]. To quote the Witty Phantom in YGO TAS, "No! This was so avoidable!" I get that he's spoiler[the sin of Pride], but you'd think he'd have a little more common sense to better hide what's basically his Kryptonite. There's Hoist By His Own Petard, and then there's just being tossed the Idiot Ball for the sake of plot convenience. Then there's spoiler[Dante]. After 52 episodes of being built up as this amazing threat, how does she go out? spoiler[She runs away, swears revenge like Doctor Claw, and get's eaten by Gluttony OFF SCREEN]. People like to say Father is a bland 'Kill Them All' villain, but at least he put up a fight. I'm not saying have some epic Goku vs Majin Buu fight, but at least give her a more dignified defeat than spoiler[being eaten by some mentally challenged blob]. Finally, there's Envy. Now, in the series, he was menacing. However, he really should have spoiler[just died in the series]. In the movie, he pretty much went out like a bitch. You'd think that spoiler[being stuck in that dragon form would make him more of a challenge, especially since Edward can't use Alchemy in the real world]. The fight goes on for about two minutes before spoiler[spending the rest of the movie pinned down and then dying]. Envy should have been the villain of the movie instead of that Nazi woman so boring, I can't even remember her name. Naraku- InuYasha- When he first appeared, Naraku had great potential to be the next Frieza. However, as the series progressed, he turned into a one-trick pony. If he can make those powerful puppets, why not just send out an army? He's pretty much the Seymour Guado of anime. The more he fails, the more we just want him to just *beep* die already, and not for the atrocities he's committed. Broly- Dragon Ball Z- In his first two appearances, he was a legitimate threat. The first time, spoiler[Goku gave him everything he could]. In his second appearance, he needed spoiler[the entire male Son family to finish him off because Goku was dead]. Then we get Bio-Broly. Ugh! First, he turns into the love child of Swamp Thing and Emmet Brown, and then he spoiler[dies from STEPPING IN WATER]. That was a cop-out of Legend of Korra proportions. When Cooler returned, he was an even bigger threat than he was in his first appearance because he could not only regenerate, but could create an army of himself. He needed spoiler[Goku and Vegeta to team up to die for good]. That was a more dignified way to go. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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Heh, that's funny--one of the reasons why I haven't finished the FMA manga is that I was really disappointed with the manga version of the homunculus villains. I know it's probably just a taste thing, but I liked the tragic backgrounds the characters had, and the fact that they felt a little bit more human. After about 10 volumes into the series or so I still felt like the villains in the manga were just your standard evil monsters.
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Animeking1108
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What about spoiler[Greed] and spoiler[Envy]? The former had some good character development, and the latter went out in a way you pitied him, and not because he has an Oedipus complex from some plot twist the writers pulled out of their asses. |
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zawa113
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^For the FMA manga, I wouldn't consider spoiler[Greed] to be a villain, especially not after spoiler[combining with Lin]. Just because he and Ed had a fight doesn't necessarily make him a villain to me, defeat=friendship is a common trope after all. Simply being an spoiler[homunclus] doesn't mean automatic villain remember.
Now, for the actual battles themselves, Brotherhood clearly had a ridiculous budget while 03 had a modest one, so the battles might not have been as shiny, but I don't particularly mind that, though others might care more. I found the homunculi as a whole more sympathetic in 03 than I did in the manga. If we were to talk about an actual battle in term of animation though, Chrono Crusade clearly had the most disappointing one ever. In the anime, spoiler[, it's a one-hit KO drive by], which left me staring at the screen going "....I've wait liked 24 episodes and this is the battle I get?" and it was even weirder because up to that point the series had great fights! But don't think the manga will solve your problem here, it's even worse, it spoiler[cuts out just before the fight actually happens, like they're in the punch lunge position,] and that's seriously the extent we see there. Now that here is the very definition of a disappointing fight scene from a series with great fight scenes. As for the villain himself, he was alright, it's just a shame about the actual battle.... I was disappointed with Digimon Adventure's final final villain, Apoclamon. It doesn't help that the English dub couldn't take him serious, but he rather appears with no explanation or established personality. More specifically, any explanation would've come from those damn WonderSwan games, which never left Japan. I hate having to do my homework online to figure these sorts of things out, but even before that, the four Dark Masters were so cool! Even though some of them didn't last more than a couple episodes either, they did have a basic personality other than "obvious villain", I was rather underwhelmed with Apoclamon after Piedmon in terms of being a dangerous threat too. I do adore Digimon, but Adventure 01 didn't have the best final villain, the other series definitely seemed to put more effort in that in the future. |
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dtm42
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Uh, MaloMyotismon, the final boss of Adventure 02, was ten times more disappointing than Apoclamon. I can't take a villain seriously when spoiler[his limbs are being amputated by a bunch of kids exclaiming they want to be a comic book writer or a baseball player or whatever:] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcU3vdpCZl8&t=9m19s Can a final boss get any more pathetic? |
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marie-antoinette
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Near and Mello from Death Note.
Now, granted, Light is the true villain of this series but those two were absolutely terrible in the role of main antagonists. I'll admit, it was a risk for the series to spoiler[kill off the L] but it was a risk that absolutely never paid off. The show quickly became unwatchable after those two arrived on the scene and so I quickly stopped watching it (aside from seeing the final episode because oh what fun it is to see spoiler[Light get everything that he deserved]. |
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zawa113
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Lol, ok, true he had a pretty awful battle, he was practically a footnote. But at least he had some backstory from one, so that makes it overall less disappointing for me. Also, Chrono Crusade still had a more disappointing final fight mostly because spoiler[we never, or barely, saw it happen]. At least they launched a lot of attacks on Malomyotismon first no matter how ineffective. But I'd have to say that Apoclamon spoiler[was also mostly beaten by kids hopes and dreams], it was just done cooler. Final fights was not Digimon's strong suit, but I think I entirely forgot about Malomyotismon, I mostly remember Japan having fun making kids upset with first spoiler[the bad guy human dying in the digital world 2 seconds after meeting his mon (any clue what that poor thing'll do for the rest of eternity?)] and then....the dreaded epilogue. Apoclamon registered with me, but Malo, I rather forgot about, he practically had no bearing on the final fight anyway it seemed. It can at the least be argued that they both kinda sucked. Oh, I just thought of another one, Gilgamesh (the anime, not any character or anything). The bad guys literally show up for the first time on the last episode, which is my first pet peeve, but there was also no hinting whatsoever. It's been a while, I just remember the villain and ending being so disappointing to the point where if it had been one of the first anime I'd seen, I would've quit anime. Fortunately I had been into anime for years at that point. |
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Chiibi
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As much as I like SAO, Sugou was terrible.
 I mean, he's not supposed to be likable, but they just made him an idiot. And not a fun idiot either (I love goofy gag villains) but an annoying idiot.
I agree that Naraku is a freaking coward...but he still has the badass voice and atmosphere a good villain needs...plus he's quite cunning. |
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Crisha
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(Harsh opinion time) Chrono Crusade was just an overall disappointing anime adaptation. So much about it sucked, let alone the villain himself. And the rest was just decent with only a few genuine moments of goodness. Anime Aion is a one-dimensional crapsack of EVIL, molesting girls left and right and just being a general dick because he's an evil demon. In the manga, Aion had honor and genuinely cared for his companions, but was still willing to sacrifice them (and many others) for his cause. Anime Aion was just a straightforward evil bastard and less interesting of a character, which I think makes him a disappointing villain. |
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Chiibi
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D: I loved it...though I didn't read the manga first...and yeah, I hated the last four episodes. Aion was an ass. >_> Still one of my favorite anime though. |
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HyugaHinata
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The one that stands out for me is spoiler[Lord Cobb] from Tales from Earthsea. He's boring, 1/2-dimensional and worse than a cardboard cutout/placeholder villain.
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Ensof
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My vote goes to Slum King: The Lord of Evil, from the Violence Jack OVAs. He’s considered important enough for his name to appear onscreen at the start of the first OVA. The next time we see him is … in the last few seconds of the last OVA – just long enough to look angry before the final credits roll. Plus he has the worst name of any villain ever, with the possible exception of his own deputy the Harlem Bomber, who had nothing to do with either Harlem or bombs.
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CrowLia
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For a moment there I thought you were talking about VenomMyotismon from Adventure, and I was going to jump on you for that is one of my favorite Digimon episodes ever. Even if I don't remember anything about him as a villain I clearly remember spoiler[Matt/Yamamto and Tai(chi) calling out to T.K/Takeru and Hikari and telling them to order Angemon and Angewomon to shoot them with arrows of Hope and Light for Agumon and Gabumon to reach their Mega forms.] It was [expletive] awesome ^The above comment is clouded with the rosy color of childhood memories. Please bear that in mind. |
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dtm42
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Yes, VenomMyotismon was a good (as in awesome) villain who caused a lot of damage before he was finally taken down in a series of epic battles. Poor Wizardmon . . . Myotismon probably wants to forget about his disastrous and humiliatin Malo stage and treat Adventure 02 as just a really bad dream. |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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I didn't much care for spoiler[Greed.] Part of it is due to a personal negative association with a creepy guy I knew once, so that's my own dysfunction and not exactly a strike against the character. But he just never really stood out as something special to me (other than him being one of the few homunculus in the manga version that seemed to be anything other than a cackling villain). As for spoiler[Envy], I liked him in the first anime just fine, but he didn't stand out to me with what I read of the manga. Actually I think I dropped it around the time spoiler[his true form got revealed], if I recall correctly. I think that might have been the point where I realized I didn't care about any of the characters in the manga like I did in the anime.
I agree on the anime (although I honestly don't think it had that many great-looking fights, particularly in the second half of the show), but...well, Chrono Crusade's my favorite manga so I gotta defend it at least a little. Yes, thespoiler[ final part of the fight cuts out at the end], but that's after nearly half of the final volume consisting of a battle spoiler[between Aion and Chrono], and another good chunk of that final volume being dedicated to the fantastic fight between spoiler[Joshua and Rosette]. Both battles are much, much more fleshed out and intense than their anime counterparts IMO. And the manga managed to get through the series without spoiler[rhe villain needlessly raping any of the female characters for shock value! ...Sorry, I just finished rewatching episode 16 and I still hate that part.] I would go on but, uh, willag already said most of what I would complain about with Aion, so I'll try to be brief. I don't think the anime was completely horrible--it actually does some things better than the original manga--but one of its weakest points was how flat, uninteresting and simple nearly all of its villains were. The decision to "leave us with no room to sympathize with [Aion]'s viewpoint" (a quote from Atsuhiro Tomioka, one of the writers of the anime, in an article in Newtype) is probably the worst decision made in the anime adaptation. If Aion is completely evil, then so must be all of his followers, and the few left that the audience HAS to sympathize with are either portrayed as completely gullible (Chrono), brainwashed (spoiler[Fiore, who ison much more equal terms with Aion in the manga]), or in a constant state of confusion (Joshua--I'm not even going to get started on my "Joshua rant"). And on top of it they needed some victims to show just how eeeeevil Aion was, and apparently spoiler[Fiore, Mary] and Joshua weren't enough, spoiler[we had to turn ROSETTE, the most strong-willed character in the manga, into a helpless brainwashed damsel who was possibly even raped by the villain and]--GAH! GAH! Man, okay, I guess my answer is "Aion from Chrono Crusade" as my most disappointing anime villain. Or maybe Joshua. |
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