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Anime that had potential but didn't live up to it


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Keonyn
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:28 am Reply with quote
ryokoalways wrote:
Chrno Crusade's first half was lacking all over the place and fragmented in both filler episodes as well as the main story episodes. The second half got better, and moved fairly smoothly, However, last 3 episodes felt extremely crammed and rushed. Consolation is that the ending was very fitting and good. However, cutting out some filler episodes for more character development would have made it a much better anime. It had potential to be a much greater hit.


Actually that's what I liked about Chrono Crusade, it didn't try to overdo it and still left some of its lightheartedness in the series even when things were at their worse. One of my favorite episodes is actually the one with the Gabriel Hound which is likely considered filler. I actually don't like it when a series just focuses too directly on its story, it takes away from the realism of it and the believability.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:15 pm Reply with quote
Aquarian Age - Sign for Evolution
I thought this was going to be a great anime to become
tied up with. A story of 5 supernatural factions that have been
battling each other for who knows how long. Our main guy,
Kyouta, and his girlfriend Yoriko are drawn into the center
and she is thrust into the spotlight as someone who has
some importance.
Plus, I had seen a preview clip with the song "Awake" by
Yuki Kajiura, thus giving me the impression that she did either
the OP and/or the ED song....

I come to find out the OP and ED are slow, sappy love songs.
I bought the complete series, but can't watch more than
one episode at a time...the story keeps putting me to sleep.
The action scenes didn't live up to the hype.


Some holiday break, I'll drink a bunch of Mountain Dew and force
myself to stay awake and watch the rest of this series. That's
the only way I'll ever be done with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:50 am Reply with quote
Dan42 wrote:
Gasaraki. After seeing the first few episodes I was convinced this was going to be what Evangelion failed to deliver to me. I loved Evangelion for its thick X-files-ish web of conspiracies and mysteries. Needless to say, it was a huge letdown when it ended without resolving *any* of the plot threads. But in Gasaraki I saw the kind of thick, solid plot that I like, similar to Patlabor 2. The combination of Noh mysticism and "realistic" mecha gave me huge hopes, but midway through they switched to a much less satisfying economic-war scenario in which the main characters merely played bit roles. In the end, the all-powerful god of terror became a mere foot soldier in a skirmish of a half-baked economic war. Talk about a change of scale Sad

Yeah, Gasaraki is a classic example of a series losing its focus. I watched it a few months ago, mostly because of Bamboo's recommendation, but came away agreeing with the mediocre ratings it has here. I couldn't even remember how it ended until your post, even though I saw it just a few months ago. For some time I have been wondering why so many series come unraveled at the end- they start out intriguing, are enjoyable through the middle act, but then fall apart the last few eps. Last Exile is a classic example of this. It's like they get to the climax of the series, and then the creators don't know how to compose a fitting resolution.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:10 am Reply with quote
For those who have been "disappointed" with Grave of the Fireflies, honestly what did you expect?

eely225 wrote:
Grave of the Fireflies. I know, I'm sorry it's legendary, but I was completely miserable the entire time. I was so depressed. I just couldn't enjoy something that made my heart sink that deep.


Like others have said before - the movie is intended to make your heart sink. Part of the movie's point is to depress the viewer, to give you a taste, somehow, of what living in real wartime (not the "American" wartime, where we sit around and watch the war on TV) is like. The helplessness, the desperation, the utter futility of it.

SnowfairyX wrote:
I agree with the choice but for different reasons. It was shocking and emotional until he ran away. After that I became increasingly annoyed by his actions (yeah, I know, he's got his pride but...). Was just waiting for dysentery or something to kill them off.


The real question is, were his actions believable? I think we can all agree that enjoyment isn't the goal of this movie. I have watched the movie once, and will never watch it again. But I still say it's one of the greatest movies of all time, because nothing comes closer to conveying the true emotion of war - the futility, the hopelessness, and the stupid decisions that people make. A teenager who has just lost his parents and now finds himself in the role of parent for his younger sister, coupled with having to deal with the grief and loss of his family...all that stress builds up and affects the way you make judgements. And when you're that stressed out, the decisions you make tend to be poor.

Gauss wrote:
I agree as well. Approximately the first half of the movie had much potential but as soon as spoiler[I started noticing the stupidity of the main character (Seita), which eventually would lead to both of their deaths, my sympathy for the two characters steadily dropped as well as my enjoyment of the movie. I also just want to mention that I get annoyed when people talk about how the aunt was such a cruel woman and that it was her fault when it's clear that neither applies to her. Under the circumstances, I felt she was holding back.]


There are two key points in Grave of the Firefliese. The first: war is bad (obvious, right?). The second: pride is worse. War is an indiscriminate killer - it's like playing a death lottery. Pride, on the other hand, is something that can be avoided, and it makes the losses attributable to it even harder to take. spoiler[In the end, Seita is responsible for his sister's death, because of his pride.] It may be "annoying," or "stupid," but real people often make annoying and stupid decisions because of things like pride, especially when placed in stressful circumstances.

I think the main thing here is that the people who have been disappointed in Grave of the Fireflies came in expecting a much different experience when they heard other people say it was a "great movie." By "great," they probably expected "entertaining." But, as it's clear from this film, that's not always the case. Grave of the Fireflies isn't entertaining to me at all. To get a level of "entertainment" out of the film, in my opinion, would be sickening. The movie is about the message against war and the pride that lead to that particular war.

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Now, as for a series that I found didn't live up to its potential: Last Exile. The reason is that they had to rush the ending. If they had been given 30 episodes instead of 26, the series would have ended, rather than being given a five minute wrap-up. There is so much that could have been expanded from the last episode alone, not to mention the two episodes prior to that. spoiler[Dio's death, which is one of the most tragic moments in the series, felt rushed.] In fact, everything about the last battle had a sense of urgency, like the creators were running out of time and had to get things wrapped up as quickly as possible. Last Exile could easily have been regarded as one of the best anime series of all time, if only it had been given a bit more time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:43 pm Reply with quote
Gungrave. I absolutely loved the Millennium flashback and was anxious to see how everything would eventually work out. Though sadly:

spoiler[ Everything from the present turned into a killfest, whether it be ALL the characters that were important in Brandon's past or just a bunch of villains that were lamely turned into Orgmen to match B.G.'s abilities.

And to top it off, he didn't even do anything at the end. Then what the hell was the point of bringing him back from the dead?]


I made this thread back in November (careful, there are NO SPOILER TAGS) and had some lengthy discussions over the elements I didn't like, so try reading it if you want more in depth reasons.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:59 pm Reply with quote
Seeing as how no one has yet mentioned them, I feel that Dragon Ball Z and Yu-Gi-Oh!; Duel Monsters both had great potential, but said potential was wasted. In the case of Yu-Gi-Oh!, the fact that all the battles were card games ruined the show, which was otherwise an excellent series. Dragon Ball Z had awesome fight scenes, but the plot and character development were somewhat lacking.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:13 pm Reply with quote
Fullmetal Alchemist showed a lot of potential to me. It's one of the highest rated anime shows. I was so hyped for it when I heard it it was coming to YTV. It's first 2 episodes were absolutely amazing, but after that, the show just had to go (and stay) in the past for like 6 or 7 episodes. I really liked those episodes, but they weren't the greatest, and I probably could've went from episode 2 then straight to 10 and I would probably still understand the plot almost all the same. This would've been forgiveable if this were a 100+ episode series, but at a 51 episode count, the show is 20% done and it's hardly moved. It's still one of my favorite anime shows (I rated it excellent), It just had the potential to be "the one." And it still can be (i'm only on like episode 15), but it will really have to pick up from there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:06 pm Reply with quote
halochief_90 wrote:
Fullmetal Alchemist showed a lot of potential to me. It's one of the highest rated anime shows. I was so hyped for it when I heard it it was coming to YTV. It's first 2 episodes were absolutely amazing, but after that, the show just had to go (and stay) in the past for like 6 or 7 episodes. I really liked those episodes, but they weren't the greatest, and I probably could've went from episode 2 then straight to 10 and I would probably still understand the plot almost all the same. This would've been forgiveable if this were a 100+ episode series, but at a 51 episode count, the show is 20% done and it's hardly moved. It's still one of my favorite anime shows (I rated it excellent), It just had the potential to be "the one." And it still can be (i'm only on like episode 15), but it will really have to pick up from there.


What you stated sounds more like living up to the hype. Living up to the potential though would require to actually seeing the whole thing to see if it does fall short of living up to it's potential in the viewer's eyes. I myself watch it on YTV and if you saw the latest episode shown the plot and story are starting to move forward.

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Wolverine Princess



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:19 pm Reply with quote
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In the case of Yu-Gi-Oh!, the fact that all the battles were card games ruined the show


But isn't that the basic premise? So you're saying the show would've been better if it was completely different show? In that case, I agree with you. I totally think the Yugioh movie would’ve been a lot better if instead it was another Final Fantasy movie.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:52 am Reply with quote
halochief_90 wrote:
Fullmetal Alchemist showed a lot of potential to me. It's one of the highest rated anime shows. I was so hyped for it when I heard it it was coming to YTV. It's first 2 episodes were absolutely amazing, but after that, the show just had to go (and stay) in the past for like 6 or 7 episodes. I really liked those episodes, but they weren't the greatest, and I probably could've went from episode 2 then straight to 10 and I would probably still understand the plot almost all the same. This would've been forgiveable if this were a 100+ episode series, but at a 51 episode count, the show is 20% done and it's hardly moved. It's still one of my favorite anime shows (I rated it excellent), It just had the potential to be "the one." And it still can be (i'm only on like episode 15), but it will really have to pick up from there.

I actually thought about FMA last night as an example of a series which makes great use of flashbacks and seemingly filler eps. A lot of things in the early eps which don't seem important upon first viewing turn out to be crucial to the series' overall storyline.
For example, the ep which Ed and Al go to the mining town. The young female alchemist introduced there turns out to be critical to the story, but she doesn't turn up again until the second season. I have seen all of the season one eps about three times, and I still notice things which I hadn't paid any attention to before and go "oh, so this is where so-and-so was introduced", or an important event occurred which set the stage for things on down the road. For example, Lior, the desert town, becomes the setting for some of the most crucial events in season two. After viewing the complete series, you'll see how tight the storyline actually was.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:34 am Reply with quote
Ninja Scroll:TV

After watching the Ninja Scroll movie, I was very excited when I heard about the making of the anime series. It started off great, with excellent animation and a interesting story, but then it just went downhill once the main plot had been setup and the main characters introduced. The dialogue became unbearable, and the series experienced "time skips" where a large chunk of time passed suddenly.


Howl's Moving Castle

I wouldn't say this was a big disappoint for me, but I know a lot of Studio Ghibli/Hayao Miyazaki fans expected a lot more after the huge success of Spirited Away. Sufficed to say, the story and characters weren't as addictive and interesting as Miyazaki's previous films. I'm not surprised it lost to the Wallace and Gromit film at the Academy Awards.

About Grave of the Fireflies: I can see how many people would find the movie disappointing. Studio Ghibli films are usually feel-good films, with happy endings and are basically stories of overcoming huge odds. Which is probably why you watched the movie expecting to feel great afterwards Razz
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Wolverine Princess wrote:
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In the case of Yu-Gi-Oh!, the fact that all the battles were card games ruined the show


But isn't that the basic premise? So you're saying the show would've been better if it was completely different show?


Actually, the card game isn't the basic premise. The first 8 or so volumes of the manga had almost zero card games and I liked that portion of the manga. But the card game portion became really popular so the author decided to make the card game the ONLY game played rather than the unique 'games' the earlier portion of the series used.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:15 pm Reply with quote
I would have to say Inu Yasha. It was the one of the first anime series I watched and I really enjoyed it. There were a variety of characters, good fights, and some romantic tension. I guess the part that ruined it for me was the fact that spoiler[it never ended. I know Sunrise chose to do so because of one of the producers couldn't work on it anymore, but I feel they should have kept it going anyway. It's kind of a let down to watch 167 episodes and have absolutely nothing resolved.]
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My dissapointing pick would definitely be Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi. Every episode seeped with outrageous humor and wonderful characters up until the last minute where we find out that Sashi, spoiler[instead of learning an important lesson about life and death, basically gets everything he wants in the end through simple force of will.]
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IchigoK90 wrote:
halochief_90 wrote:
Fullmetal Alchemist showed a lot of potential to me. It's one of the highest rated anime shows. I was so hyped for it when I heard it it was coming to YTV. It's first 2 episodes were absolutely amazing, but after that, the show just had to go (and stay) in the past for like 6 or 7 episodes. I really liked those episodes, but they weren't the greatest, and I probably could've went from episode 2 then straight to 10 and I would probably still understand the plot almost all the same. This would've been forgiveable if this were a 100+ episode series, but at a 51 episode count, the show is 20% done and it's hardly moved. It's still one of my favorite anime shows (I rated it excellent), It just had the potential to be "the one." And it still can be (i'm only on like episode 15), but it will really have to pick up from there.


What you stated sounds more like living up to the hype. Living up to the potential though would require to actually seeing the whole thing to see if it does fall short of living up to it's potential in the viewer's eyes.

"Believe it!"

- IchigoK90


Look closer, I say somewhere in there that I thought the first 2 episodes were absolutley amazing. But then the show went in the past for too long and it didn't amount to much.

Maybe after I experienced the story a few more times, I will like it better. But I haven't gotten to that point yet. Like I said, it still can be "the one".
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