Forum - View topicDo new anime fans (10-15years) turn away from native music?
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Alchemist449
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I'm glad this got stickied but may I ask why?
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Because JMays wanted it be. |
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
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Thought it was interesting, and hadn't seen it discussed before like this. I just didn't have the time to weigh in. Still don't ;p but will as soon as I can. |
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Haru to Ashura
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Woah, it got stickied? (Is that even a word? I don't think it is.) Go team! I'll be interested to here what you have to say, Jmays.
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Keonyn
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Oh, I wouldn't think of trying to say business has nothing to do with music because it does, unfortunately more than it should. However, the domestic music industry has a lot of regional or minor labels that don't get international attention, mass-marketing and/or radio play and some of the best and most talented artists come from these labels. The major labels want one thing, mass-marketable talent, and in the end that usually means all that talent is usually just a clone or spin-off of the last major talent. Besides, I'm not just talking about the american music industry, but more on a global scale, I don't show any specific loyalty to the music industry in any country or geographical location.
Culturally I still see little influence in rock, classical or ethnic perhaps but other styles seem pretty inter-mixed, especially as artists these days tend to experiment more with styles. Either way, with thousands of cultures out there producing music with millions of artists taking a different approach to it I still stand by my original statement that limiting ones approach to music culturally probably isn't the best approach. Even with the limited impact of culture on most music there is still a large number of other varables that culture and geography do not impact.
Is that not what you are arguing for? Obviously in more words than that, but that's what it comes down to. If that's what works for you, then so be it, but this is still a discussion is it not? I'm looking at the initial topic using the experience I have from music fans on both sides as well as a fan of music globally and from fans I know or have met. |
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Jake3DTrains
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I'm more than willing to listen to just about any song, in any language or genre, just as long as I find it enjoyable and overall decent. However, I do happen to listen more often to songs in non-English languages - not just Japanese, but Italian, French, Finnish, etc. - as that I am able to pay less attention to the vocals, since I more often than not prefer the instrumentals of songs over the lyrics... Plus, my favourite singer of all time just so happens to be American. I don't disregard songs for their language; I find that quite close-minded, really.
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Gauss
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That's just a silly comparison, a lot of current anime intros/endings are made by established artists and are often hits in their own right. Why you would even think of drawing a parallell with TMNT is beyond me. |
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hanachan01
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Me...I listen to a lot of Japanese music, and not a lot of current American music. That said, I like a lot of older American and European music. I listen to Madonna, Duran Duran, Guns N' Roses, the Cure and a lot of other stuff from the 80's, and I also like Hendrix and Nirvana. So, it's not htat I don't like American music, it's just that I don't like current American music much. The only current American music I like is Green Day (expecially Dookie), but the Killers and the White Stripes aren't terrible. But I still prefer AKFG WAY over Ashlee Simpson or any other of that generic pop crap.
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Steroid
 Posts: 329 Location: At home, where all good hikikomori should be |
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I'm 27, and I would venture to say that about 80% of the music I listen to is Japanese, of which about 20% is from the soundtrack to something--an anime, a video game, a movie, something. I tend to favor the Japanese for a few reasons.
The voices have more range and character--can you name me an English-language analogue of Chara or Ayumi? Or one that's as smooth as the lead singer of Mr Children? The personalities of the singing stars are more respectable to my taste. Let's say I want to here a cutsie pop song. I'd much rather here it from the wholesome image of the Morning Musume than a jailbait-style singer like Hillary Duff or Britney Spears. Rap can be done without issues. From Tim Rogers of largeprimenumbers.com, talking about the excellent soundtrack to the game Minna Daisuki Katamari Damashii,
So overall, at this point in time, for me to find what I'm looking for in music, I turn to j-pop. |
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
Posts: 1390 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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This is some awesome stuff--a lot of thoughtful comments from a wide range of views. It's rare enough for a topic as engaging as this to pop up, but it's even rarer to get so many interesting and varied replies.
As for the original question, yes, I think it's pretty clear anime music gets its share of loyal followers who proceed to tune out anything that doesn't fit their narrow interest. I have some strong feelings about this attitude, but Keonyn has already covered almost all of them. The only thing I'd add is that we shouldn't freak out when teens surround themselves in J-Pop bubbles. That's just how teens are. If it's not J-Pop, it's punk, or Goth, or whatever... That said, shirokiryuu and Bl00dHoUnD have some good points. What your friends listen to, and listening to something that they don't, can be a bigger factor than quality when you're a teen. I don't have a whole lot of experience with that, since my background is all classical, so any time I talked music with my friends, that "crazy violist" tag was never far behind. But anyways, overplay isn't exactly a problem with J-Pop in America at the moment, so that's also a factor in teens preferring J-Pop. I could write about this for a long time, and I'd like to, but it's easier to keep discussion going when the posts are shorter, so I'll save the rest for later. (One more thing: Steroid, you are the first person I have ever heard compliment Ayumi Hamasaki's voice range. ;p) |
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Steroid
Posts: 329 Location: At home, where all good hikikomori should be |
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I meant voice range in the aggregate--Chara and Ayu are examples of extremes (in different directions) that one doesn't hear as much over here. I grew up on bands like The Beach Boys, The Coasters, The Four Seasons, bands who combined falsetto leads with deep bass men, and I like to hear those styles rather than singers who sound "normal." |
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AirCooledMan_2006
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I'm between 18 and 21 and have turned away from American music thanks to anime. But instead of J-pop, I've turned more toward German music (Mostly via AMVs).
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Alexi_of_Lynari
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In all honesty, many anime fans do branch out from native music in favor of other genres. Some of us do still listen to music from our own countries, but have also chosen to listen to J-Pop, J-Rock, et cetera, for different reasons. For example, I have stopped listening to the radio because of the high number of obscene 'songs' becoming 'popular' lately. In other words, rap music about gratuitous violence and sex, or hip-hop/pop music with suggestive lyrics, usually accompanied by obscene language.
I also got interested in J-Pop by listening to the radio station set up for it on AOL. Other people may be learning Japanese and try to translate the songs as practice, or they've heard the songs in anime, or they just like the sounds. Either way, we still haven't given up on our native music. Well, for the most part. I can't really speak for everyone. |
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chrismt
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I would like to dispel the notion that only listening to a specific genre is bad. While yes, you are not listening to other types of music, you can find so much variation and subcategories within one specific genre also.
It all depends on the person. I prefer drums and bass to whiney guitars, so I'm thus limiting myself to music with a heavy beat. I don't listen to and can't decipher very often lyrics to songs, so I prefer ambient works and soundtracks. Both traditional films and animation excel at providing music within these areas. I'm thus limiting myself to Anime and movies. I watch Anime as I find the stories deep and engaging compared to about 75 - 80% of other shows on TV, comparable to books, and what comes with this Anime almost all of the time is depth of music as Studios want to engage the viewers as much as possible. There have been countless engaging soundtracks released with new ones being added too, so one could never effectively run out of music. I've thus limited myself to Anime music, turning away from Native music. I'm not necessarily saying this is absolutely the only thing I listen to, as I enjoy discovering new and old bands no matter where. I also enjoy a wide variety of genres, even rap and country  . It's just that when you can find so much enjoyment within a genre, why is it labeled as limiting oneselfwhen you can find so much variety everywhere?
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Wandering Knight
 Posts: 94 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina |
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Well, I'm from Argentina, so my native music isn't in english, but in spanish. Anyways, here in my country we're experiencing something similar to what Haru to Ashura was saying: small-time bands getting together their first 2 chords suddenly have a huge fanbase here. Most of these small time bands play rolling-stone based rock and shallow punk rock (which can get really boring after a song or two), plus an 'undergroud' (which is not anymore since it's so popular) genre called "cumbia", which can get anyone nervous after listening to it during 5 seconds, believe me. So, it wasn't very difficult for me to turn away from my 'roots'. I can certainly relate to some european big-time music (U2 is my favourite european band), but most of it was starting to seem quite repetitive. As for American music, it never really appealed me. In fact, I used to hate pop since the pop I heard most was American bubblegum pop (I admit, it is mostly MTV's fault; god, I hate that channel).
I began listening to J-music mostly influenced by anime, but I recognise I was also trying to desperately find a musical identification... I can't really feel myself on what sounds on the streets of my city. Besides, I'm a bass amateur enthusiast, so I tend to pay more attention to rythm than to guitar riffs. Japanese drum rythm always got me quite amazed, I believe there are few genres that pay as much attention to the base of the songs as do Japanese. But this is just a technical observation from my teeny-tiny perspective, I recognise there are a lot of artists worldwide I haven't heard yet (and that maybe I'll never do). |
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