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KabaKabaFruit
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:08 am
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bleachj0j wrote: | Pretty there were behind the scenes reasons. For crying out loud these things just happen. |
My point still stands.
Lycosyncer wrote: | Regardless, progress is getting made and why hasn't YTV and Adult Swim gotten this series to air yet? The original Inuyasha series was proven to be quite popular to both and I thought that the moment that the series is finally done dubbing that these two would snatch it up as soon as possible but what gives? |
The YTV of today is not the YTV of then. The broadcast network has changed their game and is now only concerned with airing anime that sells toys, not the medium itself. And I highly doubt that YTV will be going back to the days of FMA, Death Note and Inuyasha.
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Lycosyncer
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:58 am
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Yeah, is it any wonder why I am glad I don't have YTV anymore because a lot of the stuff they show is something that I have no interest in seeing? Man I miss the good old days!
As for why Viz is getting hate, I believe that has to do with the crappy treatment of their anime titles having lousy release scheduling and the fact that once when a complete box set of certain series are released, they never reissue them for a cheaper, more thinner package later on as time passes on and the only series they did that for is the first Naruto series and quite frankly, I wish they would rerelease the anime titles they already still have in their catalog with cheaper, thinner space saving packages and if they did that, then I would have bought all of the seasons of Inuyasha more better.
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KabaKabaFruit
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:49 pm
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I personally can't understand Viz's business model when it comes to their anime releases. It seems like unless it has Naruto or Bleach in the title, it's not worth releasing on a scheduled basis.
Personally, I'm fed up with Viz's BS surrounding this. The company needs to seriously stop and think whether they should continue to be a distributor of anime if the majority of their releases are just going to be scaled back. It makes no sense to the anime community nor the business community if you're just going to license something and not have a clear cut vision of how to market it. It just makes the license acquisition look questionable and unprofessional to begin with.
If Viz honestly thinks that they're more cut out to be distributing manga rather than anime, then why bother with anime at all?
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Vata Raven
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:42 pm
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: | I personally can't understand Viz's business model when it comes to their anime releases. It seems like unless it has Naruto or Bleach in the title, it's not worth releasing on a scheduled basis.
Personally, I'm fed up with Viz's BS surrounding this. The company needs to seriously stop and think whether they should continue to be a distributor of anime if the majority of their releases are just going to be scaled back. It makes no sense to the anime community nor the business community if you're just going to license something and not have a clear cut vision of how to market it. It just makes the license acquisition look questionable and unprofessional to begin with.
If Viz honestly thinks that they're more cut out to be distributing manga rather than anime, then why bother with anime at all? |
That's because Naruto and Bleach are the animes that bring them in the money, so they have to make sure they keep releasing them. But this year, Viz is dubbing a lot of anime for Neon Alley. Sure, it's still only a few, but I think they're getting better at it. Sure, wish they would put out Tiger & Bunny faster, but they also tend to put more work into their animes.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:56 am
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: |
If Viz honestly thinks that they're more cut out to be distributing manga rather than anime, then why bother with anime at all? |
Viz has always been a "publisher first, anime supplementary" company since it was founded. Manga is their day job; anime just their part-time side-job for pocket money. Think of it like the light novel publishers - the anime is a bonus if it's a success, but even if it fails, as long as it pushes the novel sales, then it's all good.
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KabaKabaFruit
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:36 pm
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Veta Raven wrote: | That's because Naruto and Bleach are the animes that bring them in the money, so they have to make sure they keep releasing them. But this year, Viz is dubbing a lot of anime for Neon Alley. Sure, it's still only a few, but I think they're getting better at it. Sure, wish they would put out Tiger & Bunny faster, but they also tend to put more work into their animes. |
Naruto and Bleach are famed JUMP titles and had their runs on television so of course they are going to bring in money for Viz. However, I don't see why that is any excuse for putting other titles on the backburner. If you're going to license something, make sure you have a release plan for it instead of keeping the fans in the dark. Otherwise, why bother with the license in the first place?
And there is no plural in anime...
enurtsol wrote: | Viz has always been a "publisher first, anime supplementary" company since it was founded. Manga is their day job; anime just their part-time side-job for pocket money. Think of it like the light novel publishers - the anime is a bonus if it's a success, but even if it fails, as long as it pushes the novel sales, then it's all good. |
I don't see how that's a reason for putting any anime that they license on the backburner. You license a show, DO SOMETHING WITH IT! Don't keep your buyers in the dark!
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Tenbyakugon
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:42 pm
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: |
enurtsol wrote: | Viz has always been a "publisher first, anime supplementary" company since it was founded. Manga is their day job; anime just their part-time side-job for pocket money. Think of it like the light novel publishers - the anime is a bonus if it's a success, but even if it fails, as long as it pushes the novel sales, then it's all good. |
I don't see how that's a reason for putting any anime that they license on the backburner. You license a show, DO SOMETHING WITH IT! Don't keep your buyers in the dark! |
It is a perfectly viable reason... It's much too easily forgotten that Viz Media is first and foremost a business.
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KabaKabaFruit
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:02 pm
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Tenbyakugon wrote: | It is a perfectly viable reason... It's much too easily forgotten that Viz Media is first and foremost a business. |
Getting a license and not doing anything with it is hardly what I call a logical business move.
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Vata Raven
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:34 am
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: |
Veta Raven wrote: | That's because Naruto and Bleach are the animes that bring them in the money, so they have to make sure they keep releasing them. But this year, Viz is dubbing a lot of anime for Neon Alley. Sure, it's still only a few, but I think they're getting better at it. Sure, wish they would put out Tiger & Bunny faster, but they also tend to put more work into their animes. |
Naruto and Bleach are famed JUMP titles and had their runs on television so of course they are going to bring in money for Viz. However, I don't see why that is any excuse for putting other titles on the backburner. If you're going to license something, make sure you have a release plan for it instead of keeping the fans in the dark. Otherwise, why bother with the license in the first place?
And there is no plural in anime...
enurtsol wrote: | Viz has always been a "publisher first, anime supplementary" company since it was founded. Manga is their day job; anime just their part-time side-job for pocket money. Think of it like the light novel publishers - the anime is a bonus if it's a success, but even if it fails, as long as it pushes the novel sales, then it's all good. |
I don't see how that's a reason for putting any anime that they license on the backburner. You license a show, DO SOMETHING WITH IT! Don't keep your buyers in the dark! |
Good grief, it's one of those people. Look, VIZ's first business WILL BE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN MANGA, end of question. Why do you think they drop animes that don't do well, even if they license it all.
And 2nd of all, don't correct people on typos and crap, it's annoying as hell. To me, it's fine, it's an effing forum, you're not going to die form a bloody typo.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:03 am
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: |
enurtsol wrote: | Viz has always been a "publisher first, anime supplementary" company since it was founded. Manga is their day job; anime just their part-time side-job for pocket money. Think of it like the light novel publishers - the anime is a bonus if it's a success, but even if it fails, as long as it pushes the novel sales, then it's all good. |
I don't see how that's a reason for putting any anime that they license on the backburner. You license a show, DO SOMETHING WITH IT! Don't keep your buyers in the dark! |
They have only so many resources. They put more resources working on manga priority first, then anime when there's time.
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Tenbyakugon
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:35 am
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: |
Tenbyakugon wrote: | It is a perfectly viable reason... It's much too easily forgotten that Viz Media is first and foremost a business. |
Getting a license and not doing anything with it is hardly what I call a logical business move. |
How is it not? You grab onto something that has shown to be a money-maker in international markets for use whenever you want to. In a business, it definitely helps to have options! The least you do by licensing an anime and not using it is preventing other competitors from having grabbed it in the first place. That's tactic.
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KabaKabaFruit
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:33 pm
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Vata Raven wrote: | Good grief, it's one of those people. Look, VIZ's first business WILL BE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN MANGA, end of question. Why do you think they drop animes that don't do well, even if they license it all.
And 2nd of all, don't correct people on typos and crap, it's annoying as hell. To me, it's fine, it's an effing forum, you're not going to die form a bloody typo. |
Ok, let's cool our jets here for a moment. I'm not saying that Viz shouldn't release their potential money makers on a monthly or bi-weekly basis because they should. All I'm saying is that Viz should have a clear-cut vision on how all their licenses should be distributed. I personally just think that it makes no sense to show interest in a license, go through the proper proceedings with the Japanese license holders to acquire the license, and then just sit on it with no clear cut vision on how to market it. To me, that just sounds counter productive for a company that specializes in distribution of foreign hobbies. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for Viz needing to make profit off of their guaranteed money makers but to put a license on the backburner indefinitely just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If I was running a business, of course I would want to focus first and foremost on my potential money makers. But, if I see a license that I want and I know that it caters to a cult audience rather than the mainstream, then at the least I should spend a few hours during the week deciding what would be the best course of action on releasing the show without suffering great losses. This could include fan insight, surveys, print-on-demand or streaming. At least this way, I could show that I am still making progress on the license while not ignoring my potential money makers.
And why are you all up in arms over a spelling correction? There really is no excuse when it comes to bad spelling or grammar unless one is dyslexic or has English as their second language.
Enurtsol wrote: | They have only so many resources. They put more resources working on manga priority first, then anime when there's time. |
Read my above post.
Tenbyakugon wrote: | How is it not? You grab onto something that has shown to be a money-maker in international markets for use whenever you want to. In a business, it definitely helps to have options! The least you do by licensing an anime and not using it is preventing other competitors from having grabbed it in the first place. That's tactic. |
It's a tactic that I can see working in the short term. But in the long term, you're not really getting anywhere. Eventually, you have to acknowledge that you have a cart built and you need to have a horse around it in order to get that cart moving. Simply just paying for a license in order to go "ha ha" to your competitors doesn't really put your company in a good light to your licensors who expect their property to be marketed to foreign consumers nor to your customers who have hopes that you will release their favorite show to them in a manner that is legal.
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Tenbyakugon
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:09 am
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: | Come to think of it, I should congratulate you guys. Because you finally showed me exactly what the true face of the anime industry and the anime fandom really looks like. |
What? That too many people within anime fandoms are naive to the simple fact that publishers are businesses too? I mean really, come now.
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KabaKabaFruit
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:22 am
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Okay, then let me see if I have this straight:
-Company X decides to license show
-Company X announces said license at a convention or through other means which then gets announced on ANN.
-Fans of said show get excited about Company X's license while non-fans express interest or criticism.
-Company X found the show to their interest and chose to license it out of concern over Company Y and Z getting the license first.
-Company X, while noted to have the license, decides to focus mainly on manga and certain anime due to greater revenue earnings.
-Fans begin to wonder if said licensed show is going to be released.
-Company X remains silent on said license despite inquiries.
-Fans are told to wait for developments on said license.
-Company X decides not to pursue release of said license, instead opting to focus on guaranteed revenue.
-Company X remains silent on further inquiries of said license.
-Non-fans are indifferent to the situation while fans start theorizing when the license will be put into effect.
-Fans are told to wait.
-Fans wait.
-Company X remains silent on further inquiries of said license. Continues to focus on other licenses that offer guaranteed revenue.
-License expires. No reason is given. Fans are left wondering what happened.
-License of show is then put into limbo.
So am I on the mark or not?
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Vata Raven
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:17 pm
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KabaKabaFruit wrote: | Okay, then let me see if I have this straight:
-Company X decides to license show
-Company X announces said license at a convention or through other means which then gets announced on ANN.
-Fans of said show get excited about Company X's license while non-fans express interest or criticism.
-Company X found the show to their interest and chose to license it out of concern over Company Y and Z getting the license first.
-Company X, while noted to have the license, decides to focus mainly on manga and certain anime due to greater revenue earnings.
-Fans begin to wonder if said licensed show is going to be released.
-Company X remains silent on said license despite inquiries.
-Fans are told to wait for developments on said license.
-Company X decides not to pursue release of said license, instead opting to focus on guaranteed revenue.
-Company X remains silent on further inquiries of said license.
-Non-fans are indifferent to the situation while fans start theorizing when the license will be put into effect.
-Fans are told to wait.
-Fans wait.
-Company X remains silent on further inquiries of said license. Continues to focus on other licenses that offer guaranteed revenue.
-License expires. No reason is given. Fans are left wondering what happened.
-License of show is then put into limbo.
So am I on the mark or not? |
It also takes 6 months to get the material from Japan (which in most cases they have to wait for the series to end and the DVD/BD to release as well), takes like another few months to translate the script, then they have to pick the cast, which the Japanese director has to approve of. Takes another 6 months to record it all. Yeah, it can take UP to 2 years to get a series done. It's not too far off, Funimation takes their sweet time releasing titles, too.
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