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BagelMan
Joined: 28 Nov 2002
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:19 pm
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I just finished CB... WOW.
I have a question. [Spoiler Warning! it is about ending!]
At the very very end after the last credits roll. When you see a picture of a dead spike and then it goes black. What does that line at the bottom mean?
It said: you're gonna carry that weight
the weight of your past? is this why the picture of spike was a close up of his face dead, like he was asleep? to show that he is now "free"? I mean since the picture showed him peacefully asleep/dead and since people in that position are not "doing" anything.
Well OK this question is not about the whole "meaning" of the ending lilke the subject said, but what did it mean to you guys?
I think it basically said that we all have a place to belong to and that is not necessarily where we think. Ed went to his father but faye found there was nothing to go to. Spike, I think, symbolizes choice. He had a choice to go or not to go. Especially since Julia died.
What it meant to me is that your past is always with you and that you can choose between living in it or leaving it. This may sound just "natural" and "duh" but here is what CB is different: it was not either right or wrong for spike to go back; it was just a choice. The END RESULT, however, is what counts: he was set free. the message is for you to choose the path that leads you either from or to your past; which ever sets you free.
So? whatya think? or am I just looking into things too closely?
BTW I'm thinking about this too much so I'll be posting the same thing at gaming-age.com- just wanted to mention that before someone thinks I copied someone else's post.
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Ferquin
Joined: 09 Dec 2002
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:26 pm
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First of all, you may want to edit your thread title to add a spoiler warning.
Anyway, I didn't read into it too much. That last line, like many episode titles and other things in this series, were musical references. That line "You're gonna carry that weight" is from a Beatles' song (Abbey Road, I think). I guess it's like you said, Spike made some decisions and this is the end result. Sure, he's dead (as far as we know) but his weight is lifted now that he's woken up from his dream of a happy life as a bounty hunter. No more having to doubt whether he's alive or not. Well, he's dead, but alive in the emotional sense, before he and Vicious had their duel. Faye and Jet are gonna carry emotional weight from losing Spike, and so are we as viewers because the show is over.
I guess there's many ways it can be interpreted, but that's how I saw it.
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Tenchi
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 6:07 pm
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Was the topic title orginally just "Cowboy Bebop ending"? Meh... obviously there's going to be spoilers; a spoiler warning is redundant.
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Case
Joined: 09 Apr 2002
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:36 pm
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My opinion, is that it's a Freudian slip on the part of the director.
"My series is over. The light of my billiance no longer shines on you. Now you must feel bad."
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Delthayre
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 8:14 am
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That interpertation would only really make sense if Hideaki Anno had directed the series.
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NawkXela
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:32 am
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I think that what they mean by: "YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT" is that since even though Spike (or who ever intended) is free at death they must bear the weight of theirs sins in hell or heven.
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Hellsing234
Joined: 25 Jul 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:46 pm
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there is always the possiblitly that he could still be alive..
cause technically with all the medical advancements in there era of time they could have rushed him to the hospital cause he now*after killing visious(sp)* was the syndicate leader
side notes:
this is really hopeful thinking on my part
and i cant spell tonight cause its late
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Anlushac11
Joined: 17 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:28 pm
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I would like to put forth a premise I heard before on another anime site.
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In Jupiter Jazz you see the one guy die and the Indian Chief says something about fallen warriors and shooting stars. At the end of Real Folk Blues II when Spike dies you see him dead on the floor. The title "Your'e gonna carry that weight". IIRC Abbey Road was also the last album by the Beatles. Now in relation to the shooting star reference in Jupiter Jazz supposedly at the very end of the last episode of Bebop there is a change of view to the sky and stars, and you see a star wink out. That is supposed to be Spikes star going out, signifying the passing of another warrior.
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ShellBullet
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:10 am
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It is true that they could try to shamelessy make more money by bringing Spike back for another season. Nevertheless, that would fly in the face of the story. Clearly Spike is free at last because he is dead; that's what happened and there's no arguing it.
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king_micah
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:48 am
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Ah, but there is a large and unknown amount of time between episodes 23 and 24. At 24, Ed and Ein are gone, Faye knows the truth, and the tone of the show is changed. While the prior few episodes are the most established. The creator has said as much as any and all new beebop will be in that gap. Like the movie was.
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ookaminodensetsu
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 5:37 pm
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hmmm...well i also heard something about Spike not really dieing in the end. I was told my a reliable source that CB will continue in manga.
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Dark Nero
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:07 pm
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How could spike not be dead, just because the syndicate looked in amazment as he fell, dont you think they bust a couple caps in his ass for killing their boss? Or do they call an ambulance?? haha
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Anlushac11
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:01 pm
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ookaminodensetsu wrote: | hmmm...well i also heard something about Spike not really dieing in the end. I was told my a reliable source that CB will continue in manga. |
If he did come back in a manga I would be happy. I know there is a manga out but is the continuing adventures; it takes place in the existing timeline before end of series.
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Dark Nero
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:46 pm
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yea thats the only time you could really base the magna on, even then how much more character development can spike go thru. I mean pretty much throughout the whole seris his character was leading up to saving julia and ending his vendetta with the syndicate....
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