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REVIEW: Fate/Zero

It wasn't TYPE-MOON who wrote Fate/Zero, which may (in fact, almost certainly does) explain why despite the pacing issues it is a far better work than other TYPE-MOON adaptations. I mean, Garden of Sinners was so flawed that even the plot holes had plot holes.

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It wasn't TYPE-MOON who wrote Fate/Zero, which may (in fact, almost certainly does) explain why despite the pacing issues it is a far better work than other TYPE-MOON adaptations. I mean, Garden of Sinners was so flawed that even the plot holes had plot holes.

It also wasn't Typemoon that wrote other TM adaptations so it doesn't really explain that much.

I think what dtm42 meant was that it wasn't Typemoon that wrote even the original Fate Zero light novels that the anime was adapted from. Though Nasu obviously had some influence and oversight, it was Gen Urobuchi who actually wrote the novels.

I think what dtm42 meant was that it wasn't Typemoon that wrote even the original Fate Zero light novels that the anime was adapted from. Though Nasu obviously had some influence and oversight, it was Gen Urobuchi who actually wrote the novels.

I think they're usually referring to ones like the circling scene with Kirei, Tokiomi and Kirei's father in the very first episode, or the lengthy Kirei/Gilgamesh discussions about Kirei's desires.

i will def buy fate/zero when it goes down in price, 350$ is a little much for a 24 episode series. I can wait, when the price is down, who ever releases the series with a common price like 60$ has my money(hopefully released on blu ray, and funimation is the most likely candidate to grab this great gem, aniplex usually goes to them for a release in the US, or a price drop from them would be nice too

But I did like the scenes with spoiler[Gilgamesh tempting Kirei,] the subtle manipulation and symbolism with the chess board were really well done.

If the source material that an Anime adapts is of high quality then it stands to reason that the adaptation has a better chance of being good too. But if the source material isn't so hot, then the team adapting it has a much harder job. Of course, this does not mean that an adaptation of good source material will always be good or that an adaptation of bad source material will always be bad.

It wasn't TYPE-MOON who wrote Fate/Zero, which may (in fact, almost certainly does) explain why despite the pacing issues it is a far better work than other TYPE-MOON adaptations. I mean, Garden of Sinners was so flawed that even the plot holes had plot holes.

I think they're usually referring to ones like the circling scene with Kirei, Tokiomi and Kirei's father in the very first episode, or the lengthy Kirei/Gilgamesh discussions about Kirei's desires.

And the one in the last episode of the first season was particularly awkward since they clearly cut some dialogue from it, when Gilgamesh mentions Kirei talking a lot about one particular Servant (or maybe it was a Master, but I think it was a Servant), except we never saw him say a thing about it.

I do consider F/Z to be the best TM adaptation (can't say about KnK, haven't read the originals) although I didn't find it intellectualy stimulating at all. It was all pretty action and general Nasuverse chatter for me.

Because that line of thinking is incestuous.

I loved every minute of F/Z, makes me hopeful that Tsukihime will get some of this caliber of animation

It wasn't TYPE-MOON who wrote Fate/Zero, which may (in fact, almost certainly does) explain why despite the pacing issues it is a far better work than other TYPE-MOON adaptations.

I mean, Garden of Sinners was so flawed that even the plot holes had plot holes.

Among comparing/contrasting Fate/Zero with KnK, it ought to be thrown out there that KnK was written by a much younger Nasu than the one who wrote Fate or even Tsukihime, and that the adaptation itself was pretty well modified from a series that Nasu himself wasn't necessarily proud of.

But, as someone who is uninitiated with Type-Moon and enjoyed the development in F/Z, your comment makes me think that maybe I'd find some substance in the infamous "Nasuverse chatter" in other series as well.

Not to derail too much since this is F/Z thread, but...... For example?

After F/SN and some general knowledge of Tsukihime, you'll also be primed for just about all the jokes in Carnival Phantasm, too, and because canon Nasuverse is generally completely humorless, Carnival Phantasm is like... fanfiction of fanfiction... it's the perfect release valve for all the jokes and puns that the "real" stories can't make. That said, there's no real intellectual substance in CP; it's just fun.

Intellectually stimulating is highly subjective and going to be on an individualistic basis. For me, F/Z was. But so were things like Evangelion and Utena, and there are plenty of people who will say the opposite about those as well. But, as someone who is uninitiated with Type-Moon and enjoyed the development in F/Z, your comment makes me think that maybe I'd find some substance in the infamous "Nasuverse chatter" in other series as well.