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Takehiko Inoue plagiarism?

I am certain, he has lost his respect in the eyes of many manga artists. Because now it is evident that Takehiko sensei, no matter how he tries to make an excuse by saying he was making a "reference". He was merely copying them with tracing paper.

Seem to me like Takehiko is just using it as reference since there isn't a whole lot of basketball in Japan when Slam Dunk was being release. If you know anything about bball, a lot of the movement are the same.

And if you're gonna make try to make an accuratable basketball manga, you're gonna need to get reference/model from somewhere. Many mangaka in japan has use picture as reference all the time.

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I am certain, he has lost his respect in the eyes of many manga artists. Because now it is evident that Takehiko sensei, no matter how he tries to make an excuse by saying he was making a "reference". He was merely copying them with tracing paper.

I'm doubtful that takehiko put a piece of paper over the picture and trace it. Remember, mangaka are artist, they can see a pose and draw it exactly the same way as they see it. If anything, the picture are just reference to make the manga more realistic. He only use a few picture as reference point. If he had copy footage to footage, movement to movement, from the same game, than that's a total rip-off (like the mangaka for Flow of Eden, doing panal for panal).

darkhunter wrote:

Seem to me like Takehiko is just using it as reference since there isn't a whole lot of basketball in Japan when Slam Dunk was being release. If you know anything about bball, a lot of the movement are the same. And if you're gonna make try to make an accuratable basketball manga, you're gonna need to get reference/model from somewhere. Many mangaka in japan has use picture as reference all the time. Quote: I am certain, he has lost his respect in the eyes of many manga artists. Because now it is evident that Takehiko sensei, no matter how he tries to make an excuse by saying he was making a "reference". He was merely copying them with tracing paper. I'm doubtful that takehiko put a piece of paper over the picture and trace it. Remember, mangaka are artist, they can see a pose and draw it exactly the same way as they see it. If anything, the picture are just reference to make the manga more realistic. He only use a few picture as reference point. If he had copy footage to footage, movement to movement, from the same game, than that's a total rip-off (like the mangaka for Flow of Eden, doing panal for panal).

Look at some of those shots, some of them even have the background characters ripped straight out of the source like the referee in the 4th pic. These aren't "refences", look at the hands in most of the pics, all angled and positioned exactly the same way. Even if basketball is a game where players are told to do specific movements in certain ways, there still shouldn't have to be a mirror effect I'm seeing in those examples. Those are clearly traced.

milcor1 wrote:

darkhunter wrote: Seem to me like Takehiko is just using it as reference since there isn't a whole lot of basketball in Japan when Slam Dunk was being release. If you know anything about bball, a lot of the movement are the same. And if you're gonna make try to make an accuratable basketball manga, you're gonna need to get reference/model from somewhere. Many mangaka in japan has use picture as reference all the time. Quote: I am certain, he has lost his respect in the eyes of many manga artists. Because now it is evident that Takehiko sensei, no matter how he tries to make an excuse by saying he was making a "reference". He was merely copying them with tracing paper. I'm doubtful that takehiko put a piece of paper over the picture and trace it. Remember, mangaka are artist, they can see a pose and draw it exactly the same way as they see it. If anything, the picture are just reference to make the manga more realistic. He only use a few picture as reference point. If he had copy footage to footage, movement to movement, from the same game, than that's a total rip-off (like the mangaka for Flow of Eden, doing panal for panal). Look at some of those shots, some of them even have the background characters ripped straight out of the source like the referee in the 4th pic. These aren't "refences", look at the hands in most of the pics, all angled and positioned exactly the same way. Even if basketball is a game where players are told to do specific movements in certain ways, there still shouldn't have to be a mirror effect I'm seeing in those examples. Those are clearly traced.

What I mean is he's using the post of character position as a reference and didn't put a piece of paper over the image and trace it angel for angel, because the model it self is offsize. Look at the 4th picture. The guy with the ball, his leg if offangel from the picture. Also his structure and statue is smaller than the one in the pic. I'm not saying he didn't use the picture for reference because he obviously had the picture in front of him when he was doing the panel, but how else are you gonna make a basketball manga if there isn't a whole lot of bball in japan to use as reference? He probably got a bunch of basketball cards.

how else are you gonna make a basketball manga if there isn't a whole lot of bball in japan to use as reference?

Of course he didn't put a piece of paper over the image. I think that would be even less effective than looking at it and copying it because he knows his human anatomy etc, he wouldn't need to do that. What I'm saying is that even though he might be trying to reference a position there is no need for the characters to be facing the same way as the source pic. What do you mean there's not a whole lot of BBall in Japan? High schools play basketball, there are playground hoops in Japan, cable networks that show the NBA, etc etc. If you've read Real, you know that basketball is alive and well in Japan, and he created that manga too. There being not a whole lot of basketball in Japan is totally preposterous.

milcor1 wrote:

Of course he didn't put a piece of paper over the image. I think that would be even less effective than looking at it and copying it because he knows his human anatomy etc, he wouldn't need to do that. What I'm saying is that even though he might be trying to reference a position there is no need for the characters to be facing the same way as the source pic. What do you mean there's not a whole lot of BBall in Japan? High schools play basketball, there are playground hoops in Japan, cable networks that show the NBA, etc etc. If you've read Real, you know that basketball is alive and well in Japan, and he created that manga too. There being not a whole lot of basketball in Japan is totally preposterous.

Takehiko said in the slam dunk manga, that basketball wasn't popular in japan during the time he created Slam Dunk. Also you won't find professional bball teams or college bball like we have here in the U.S, that's why BBALL isn't as big in japan as it is here in the U.S. Also in on Takehiko's site, there was a special event that promote bball. Sure there was basketball at high school (I'm not even sure if the student know how to play it well) and nba on "cable" tv, but unless you have actual poses to use as reference, you're not gonna make a good bball manga. Imagine yourself trying to draw a kendo manga. Sure they might offer Kendo at your high school or you can watch japanese kendo tournament on "cable" if you have it, but I'm sure you want to use picture as reference to make authentic kendo manga.

It'll be interesting to see if Shueisha pulls Slam Dunk from the shelves or even all of Takehiko Sensei's creations. Wow, scary thought.