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NEWS: Berserk Golden Age Arc II Film's Special Preview Streamed


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Erunno



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:31 am Reply with quote
Unsurprisingly the second part looks as fake as the first one. They really dropped the ball when they decided to rely on CGI to animate the characters. I'm not saying that this is impossible in general but judging by the results the studio lacked the necessary budget or talent to pull it off properly. In my opinion the a mixed approach (CGI for background, traditional animation for foreground and characters) wouldn't have been as jarring. Karas is a good example how well this can work with someone at the helm who knows how to work with the available technologies.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:24 am Reply with quote
What happend to Gryffith's nose in 1.33?
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:04 pm Reply with quote
how did Berserk get fucked up? how is this possible?
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Psycho_Despair



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:22 pm Reply with quote
Erunno wrote:
Unsurprisingly the second part looks as fake as the first one. They really dropped the ball when they decided to rely on CGI to animate the characters. I'm not saying that this is impossible in general but judging by the results the studio lacked the necessary budget or talent to pull it off properly. In my opinion the a mixed approach (CGI for background, traditional animation for foreground and characters) wouldn't have been as jarring. Karas is a good example how well this can work with someone at the helm who knows how to work with the available technologies.


Just shows how lazy and untalented the animation studios are becoming. But then again, it must be hard draw hundreds of men getting their bodies torn apart by a gigantic sword. lol

And what's weird is my friend actually thinks the film looks awesome.... -____- He's gonna have to make an appointment with the eye doctor.
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Erunno



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Psycho_Despair wrote:
And what's weird is my friend actually thinks the film looks awesome.... -____- He's gonna have to make an appointment with the eye doctor.


There are some breathtaking scenes, especially the ones which portray the massive scale of battles, but the quality is so uneven (especially with regards to characters) that it destroys any kind of immersion for me. I just watched a couple of fight scenes from Sword of the Stranger again to reassure myself that perfectly fluid traditional animation carefully combined with CGI elements would have been the better option (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryoNr_qhyI). That's the level of animation quality I expected from a Berserk movie.

I am also not very fond of the color palette. It's all too clean and bright for my taste, especially considering that Berserk is dark fantasy.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:29 pm Reply with quote
I am so happy this project bombed. Very Happy
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:47 pm Reply with quote
Even if the CGI is merely acceptable today, how will it stand out ten or even fifteen years from now? A high budget anime from the 80s looks good regardless, because the only thing that dates it is being analog on film, and with remastering you can obtain and extremely eye-pleasing version of any animation so long as the materials exist. Taking the low budget Berserk anime from 1997 now on BluRay as an example, it has problems with too much panning and not enough movement, but it still looks damned good in 1080p.
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Ulinox



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:56 pm Reply with quote
I understand all the complaints about the CGI in the new Berserk movies, but I still thought the first one was completely watchable.

The main issue I had with it, however, was that they cut out too much of the story. Alot more could have been added too with its short running-time, but it's all about the budget I guess. Arrow
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MasterKingJC



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:11 pm Reply with quote
From reading the comments on this page, I am now 100% sure that the anime fanbase is truly unpleasable. Rolling Eyes
All of you guys complaining about the CGI should just be happy that this arc is getting remade and animated at all.
Oh well. Nitpickers will continue to nitpick.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 4:25 pm Reply with quote
MasterKingJC wrote:
From reading the comments on this page, I am now 100% sure that the anime fanbase is truly unpleasable. Rolling Eyes
All of you guys complaining about the CGI should just be happy that this arc is getting remade and animated at all.
Oh well. Nitpickers will continue to nitpick.


No. I don't accept the view that you cannot be critical of material that's not only been covered, but it's not being covered in a wholly superior fashion. I will compare to that people who say we cannot be critical of remakes and should be happy they're being produced being it's more of X. It's not nitpicking when the art is a serious flaw to some people, I think that CGI done by Japanese produces tends to come out looking like trash because they don't have the budget and they don't give the necessary amount of frames. If this were covering material after the Eclipse, we'd have a different story, but it's not the case and there's no way 3 films can replace even the flawed 1997 anime.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:14 pm Reply with quote
Erunno wrote:
Psycho_Despair wrote:
And what's weird is my friend actually thinks the film looks awesome.... -____- He's gonna have to make an appointment with the eye doctor.


There are some breathtaking scenes, especially the ones which portray the massive scale of battles, but the quality is so uneven (especially with regards to characters) that it destroys any kind of immersion for me. I just watched a couple of fight scenes from Sword of the Stranger again to reassure myself that perfectly fluid traditional animation carefully combined with CGI elements would have been the better option (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryoNr_qhyI). That's the level of animation quality I expected from a Berserk movie.

I am also not very fond of the color palette. It's all too clean and bright for my taste, especially considering that Berserk is dark fantasy.


Oh I love Sword of the Stranger! I remember that fight very vividly, and yeah I expected a Berserk film to be very well animated and taken care of.

Yeah, I really wish the Berserk films to be a bit rougher on the colors and detail.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:08 am Reply with quote
I actually like the animation on this one. But then I'm biased, since it reminds me of Bakshi's rotoscope days.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 6:07 am Reply with quote
sorry you guys, but as much as you want Miyazaki quality on berserk, that's just wishful thinking, this is as good as you going to get it.

CGI, a thing of the present Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:48 pm Reply with quote
Of course CGI is a thingh of a present. The difference is, if it jumps my eye and I can spot it immediately in every frame like in this movie or I hide the CGI well and make it look 2D to create an eyepleasing experience. Other studios obviously can do that. But I'm not even suprised. The moment Studio 4C was anounced for this I knew this would be a complete let down.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:45 pm Reply with quote
plague1ftw wrote:
Of course CGI is a thingh of a present. The difference is, if it jumps my eye and I can spot it immediately in every frame like in this movie or I hide the CGI well and make it look 2D to create an eyepleasing experience. Other studios obviously can do that. But I'm not even suprised. The moment Studio 4C was anounced for this I knew this would be a complete let down.


For the example of CGI that was eye-pleasing, I loved the Other World segments of Black Rock Shooter. Good models, good enough frame rate, dark color palette unlike the one for this film which is just too bright and clean for the story it tells.
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