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Hey, Answerman! - Shounenmageddon

I understand the position on waiting and patience, but some of us like being current in discussion with each other and with the Japanese. We visit 2chan, sometimes they visit us. We have pixiv accounts and leave comments on artist's pages, we buy and read doujinshi. Madoka had several tons of doujinshi out almost immediately, even before it finished airing. And I don't even mean sketchy 8 page books, but 32 page finished ones.

It makes me wonder, how do these anti-Fansub people think about Westerners seeing doujins? They're never really legally released over here so you need to get them "illegally"... does Answerman think you should just never look at doujins?

Or wait, nevermind. He'd just tell you to buy them online and pay 50 bucks (including shipping) for a single untranslated doujin.

walw6pK4Alo wrote:

I understand the position on waiting and patience, but some of us like being current in discussion with each other and with the Japanese. We visit 2chan, sometimes they visit us. We have pixiv accounts and leave comments on artist's pages, we buy and read doujinshi. Madoka had several tons of doujinshi out almost immediately, even before it finished airing. And I don't even mean sketchy 8 page books, but 32 page finished ones.

It makes me wonder, how do these anti-Fansub people think about Westerners seeing doujins? They're never really legally released over here so you need to get them "illegally"... does Answerman think you should just never look at doujins?

Or wait, nevermind. He'd just tell you to buy them online and pay 50 bucks (including shipping) for a single untranslated doujin.

I will also go ahead and shout this from the top of my lungs. I download fan-subs for any series that has censored broadcast/stream and isn't licensed I really don't care if you hate fan-service or tna anime peeps but when I get solar flare beams or fog so thick it looks like it the drifted to silent hill...I drop the series. The whole point for those type of shows is to be nasty sex comedies and when you censor that out there isn't a point in watching them legally or not.

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And in the case of Madoka Magica, that was recently streamed on NicoNico. All you had to do was wait. I know, I know - TORTURE, PURE TORTURE.

Do you think Aniplex would have bothered bringing the show over if not for how wildly popular it already was because of the fansubbers?

Hardgear wrote:

Quote: And in the case of Madoka Magica, that was recently streamed on NicoNico. All you had to do was wait. I know, I know - TORTURE, PURE TORTURE. Do you think Aniplex would have bothered bringing the show over if not for how wildly popular it already was because of the fansubbers?

One other thing this kind of response overlooks is also the people that get "swept up in the mania". How many people buy DVDs, games, comics, whatever; because "it's popular RIGHT NOW"? A LARGE portion of anime is streamed now, and I agree that waiting a couple days or even a week for a stream is pretty minor. But if we're talking months or especially years? By then people will move on to other fads before anyone gets around to releasing it here. (at least if everyone is hyped about it now, you'll get lots of eyeballs and hopefully some will buy the product that wouldn't even bother watching it 6 mos later when it's "passe", and assuming it's not terrible, the "hardcore"s are gonna buy it anyway, just like they do in Japan)

And by that I mean, legitimate streaming services. Ironic, I suppose, considering how long fansubbers have claimed a sort of moral superiority because they "offered a product" that legitimate business refused to offer. As I see it, unless you're fansubbing something that's old, rare, or otherwise unknown, you're not helping anyone.

DavidShallcross wrote:

What's this about Macross? It may be out of print now, but it had releases both from Animeigo and from ADV.

The original series, Macross II, and Plus were released here. But 7, Frontier, DYRL and Zero...

Do you think Aniplex would have bothered bringing the show over if not for how wildly popular it already was because of the fansubbers? It's possible that it could have EVENTUALLY been licensed, but this is one case where I honestly think the shows popularity via fansubs is the reason it is getting released in the first place.

So the popularity in Japan and sales of discs there wouldn't have given them a clue that it might enjoy similar popularity in the United States?

As a matter of fact, if ANY fansubber out there would be so kind as to track down and fansub ANY of Tezuka's Animerama films, I'd be jumping for freaking joy, ecstatic as a toddler on Christmas!