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Tempest
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Since I created this poll, I figure I might as well give my answer first.
Back in 2000, when I first wrote an editorial for ANN, I was angry about all the US based publishers that were releasing what they called "manga." Effectively traditional American comics that featured big eyes and small mouths. Image comics and Marvel were the big transgressors. But, at the time, I conceded that it was fair to call work that was truly influenced by Japanese comics, "manga." Particularly if it was hard to distinguish from actual Japanese produced manga. I was thinking of work by Adam Warren, Ben Dunn, etc... Working with ANN later forced me to change this opinion. Largely because I believed that the definition should be black and white, and that any definition based on "style" would fail. This is because all Japanese comics are "manga" even if they don't look like your stereotypical manga. As a result, I now define manga as "comic books created by Japanese people." It's a nice, virtually black and white definition. What's more, by saying "this isn't manga" about something produced outside of Japan, I'm not saying that it's inferior to manga in any way. So my vote on the poll is "don't label it" although I'm just as happy when people call it "world-manga." -t BTW, for ANN purposes, this is also the definition we adhere to. For our purposes, anything less than a black and white definition would create lots of headache. Last edited by Tempest on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:39 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Chevi
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Comics. It's all comics. You can say it's inspired by manga, but in the end manga, manhwa, OEL...it's all comics.
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zeonozero
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The Japanese have the rights to call it manga, it was their idea
Americans have their comic books I like the World-Manga idea, because they are doing manga in another place besides Japan Its not official manga, but then again its obviously different from typical American comics Americans can do "manga" but they cannont call it manga |
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The Japan Girl
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Is there some reason they can't just be called comics? Being manga-inspired doesn't suddenly make them a different thing.
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Keichitsu0305
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Manga=graphic novels or comic books from Japan.
In terms of style, almost every mangaka has a different way of drawing their characters. For example, it's impossible to confuse Naoki Urasawa's Monster or 20th Century Boys with Rumiko Takahashi's Ranma 1/2 or Mermaid Saga. Likewise, you can't confuse any of these Japanese comic book artists with American comic book artists like Stan Lee or Frank Miller. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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I'm with Chris, although I guess this poll isn't quite targeted at people like me. In CJK the characters are the same, and -hua, -hwa, -ga is like "po-tay-to" and "po-tah-to" to any native CJK speaker. In practice, bookstores gather them altogether as long as it's a licensed title, not an import.
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AilisKnil
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I'm wondering at which point the word "manga" went from being a matter of origin to a matter of style. The word itself literally just means "comic book" in Japanese, so there would be no reason for English speakers to use it if not to clarify the fact that the comic book in question is Japanese. Not only would it be a useless word if it were a matter of artistic style, but it also really can't be a matter of artistic style because manga, like American comic books, are so varied. Compare something like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure to K-ON. You can't really derive a set of rules between the two that says, "well here's what 'manga' looks like".
To clarify: they're all comic books, and "manga" are comic books from Japan as far as English speakers are concerned. |
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Shenl742
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At this point in my life I really just don't care about labels as long as the title is good (I actually just started getting into Adam Warren's Empowered and it's quite a hoot)
Unfortunately, I anticipate, that certain people will make a big butt-hurt argument about this whole topic.... |
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bj_waters
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I pretty much stick to the idea that manga comes from japan, partially because their comics culture is vastly different than it is in America (or Europe or China, etc.) Sometimes you get collaborations and it can get confusing (Kia Asumiya doing comics for America, Adam Warren is a classic example). It can be like splitting hairs.
However, I think the big thing (and this might be stepping away from what the poll is trying to assess) has more to do with an artists personal style. I'm sure we've all seen American artists trying to do manga-style art that doesn't seem to have much life to it; it's too derivative of the style or they're trying too hard to be manga-like. I look at the likes of Svetlana Chmakova who, while definitely inspired by manga and anime, has a style that really sets her apart from any other artist, regardless of their country of origin. I understand the need for ANN to have an explicit definition, but I really think these lines are only going to get more blurry from sheer globalization. I know I'm projecting years in advance, but communications technology is shrinking the world, allowing for once-distant communities to really interact and share ideas. Perhaps in fifty years, all the ethnic distinctions won't matter (as terms for definition) and we'll all just become fans of comics and animation in general. |
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agila61
 Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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If you don't want to call them comics, don't ~ call them graphic novels, serial art, or whatever. But call it manga if its comics (or graphic novels or serial art or ...) originally published in Japanese.
It could be an American drawing it ~ as long as they have been hired by a Japanese publisher to publish it in Japan, like with Peepo Choo, fine. |
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Mushi-Man
 Posts: 1537 Location: KCMO |
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I think Scott Pilgrim's creator Brian Lee O'Malley best answered this question when he said that his work was "manga influenced comics". Its not OEL, it's not manga, its just a comic that happens to be influenced by the creator's interest in manga. So, in short, my answer is that we should call it comics.
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VinceA
 Posts: 126 Location: Bayonne, NJ |
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My lexicon....
Manga = Made in Japan initially for a Japanese audience Comics, Graphic Novel = Made in America for a basically American audience. |
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Kamikaze Ghost
 Posts: 12 Location: Central NJ |
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In Japanese, manga refers comics from anywhere (though they commonly use "comics" for American comics). However, in the English language, manga refers to only comics from Japan, so calling any manga-style comics manga would be wrong by the English definition. Just call it a manga-style comic.
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Mr. sickVisionz
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I voted comics but I also agree with the line that was something like people will know they are manga influenced just by looking at them.
Anime is anime and manga is manga. There is a reason that we use the Japanese names for these things rather than just calling them cartoons and comics. |
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EireformContinent
 Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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Europe doesn't like that. Manga for Japanese, comics for everything, including manga. |
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