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The Starfall Knight
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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Location: Within the hearts of the people
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:38 pm
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Did LokiTorrent have primarily anime torrents or were they most a movie site?
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Zeiram
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:45 pm
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thing that bugs me tho, some other torrent sites may have used links from that without people knowing any wiser
x_x i'm not talking ethics here
will they sue you if you downloaded one file fromt hem? just checking
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Sword of Whedon
Joined: 17 Sep 2003
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:47 pm
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Loki was a clearinghouse like Suprnova.
More than likely they'll go after the people whose user accounts were reguarly seeding movies, it's wasteful, and they don't have the budget to go after occasional downloaders
Doesn't make it any more legal, and certainly not a safety net
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spider-moose
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:01 pm
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yeah, if you downloaded like 1-5 things, they won't care
but if you were one of the blatenly downloaders, that have like over 50 or so Movies that you downloaded from them, then you will be probably sued
I'm probably one of the few, but I have the dvd collection to prove it tho hehe, that I buy everything I see and watch same with CDs and Mangas
I don't like getting illegalized versions
but not everyone has to download cause they don't have the money, alot do it cause they have think why buy it, when they can get it for free
but then there are sites and stores and online auctions where you can find OFFICAL dvds for really cheap
I own over 600 dvds, mostly anime TV series, but I find them cheap like when Rightstuf has them on sale for like 5.99, marked down from like 32.99 or whatever
just like the Slayer dvd sets, they have all of those now for only 24.99 each! and I got them for 34.99 each DANG I should have waited hehe
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Vekou
Joined: 07 Jul 2003
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:09 pm
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Well... that's what you get...
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Beatdigga
Joined: 26 Oct 2003
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Location: New York
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:49 pm
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If they were sending copyrighted movies that were in theatres, then they deserve it.
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Wyvern
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:52 pm
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I'm gonna rant now. Stand back.
First Suprnova, now Loki, in just a couple of months. The MPAA is starting to go crazy on the BT sites just like the RIAA went crazy on Kazaa users. Because that was SUCH a great publicity move for them, and it really got rid of all MP3 filesharing forever and drove record sales back up.
I'm not saying DLing copyrighted movies is legal or even right, but just because the MPAA can go after the little guy and sue people for downloading movies doesn't mean they should. In the end, downloading a movie doesen't have the potential to destroy a person's life the way a lawsuit does. It's the greater of two evils-and also the easier to stop.
The MPAA can't even complain about losing money the way the RIAA did. Hollywood keeps breaking its own Box Office records every year-and if you look at download statistics, you'll notice the the most downloaded films were also the most successful. Return of the King was downloaded millions and millions of times-and it STILL made a billion dollars and became the second most successful movie ever. If filesharing were really keeping people away from the theater, that wouldn't be the case.
When TV was invented, movie producers were sure it meant the end of their industry and tried to surpress it. TV flourished and movies still became more popular. When VCR's were invented, the movie industry tried to have them banned and were sure movies were doomed. Instead movies became even more popular and home video only added to their bottom line. The theatrical experience is something that simply cannot be duplicated at home, and until it can be, the movie industry would be better served by embracing new technologies rather than fearing them.
The real implication of downloading movies (which I'm sure scares the pants off alot of movie execs) is that now people can determine the quality of a film before they go and see it.
The fact that people can preview films now puts pressure on the industry to make better movies-which may be bad for untalented directors and screenwriters, but it's good for the moviegoing public.
Besides, a year from now something will have come along to replace bittorrent,and suddenly shutting down all those BT sites and suing everyone will have done nothing for the MPAA but made them look like a bunch of rich jerks who sue average joes; and that will encourage more filesharing and less theatergoing that a thousand Lokitorrent.coms.
Okay, rant over.
PS-I've never downloaded a movie personally and I don't ever intend to, but if the producers of Naruto or Hikaru No Go ever decide to crack down on people who watch fansubs and the MPAA shares its books with them, I might be in trouble. ^^;;
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Kazuki-san
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:53 pm
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I just love the warning message the MPAA replaced the site with.
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Zeiram
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:03 pm
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aaaah it's the eye from big brother!!
or was it some other martian comedy movie? hmmm
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Joe Mello
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:19 pm
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Kazuki-san wrote: | I just love the warning message the MPAA replaced the site with. |
At least they have some sense of humor.
Isn't this where all the doomsday prophets say "And away we go"?
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AnimeHeretic
Joined: 10 Jul 2003
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:26 pm
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I've been tempted to try a Torrent site, but never did (mainly worried about security). Glad I never got involved in that.
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Vukir
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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Location: California
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:41 pm
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As far as this goes, I am not sure if the artical is correct about Loki settling out of court. CNet.com has it posted as the judge ordering the site to shut down, and turn over the server logs. As to that being the end of Loki's lawsuite, and the dozens plus other websites targeted by MPAA. I don't know.
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cubs2084
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:44 pm
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Watch, [This URL is a known Fansub Distribution website] will be next....
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kyuu
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Location: Tampere, Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:52 pm
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It seems like the modern American way - politics, business or whatever - is scaring people instead of speaking facts.
Are people really that stupid that the only way to decrease piracy is by scaring people through methods such as exaggerating, pointing fingers and at times, just straight lying?
What most pisses me off is that I agree with the huge problem of piracy, especially to the anime industry. Yet at times I'd like to start a holy (and totally useless) war against the MPAA, because all they're doing is making piracy media sexy while spending a lot of money. In the process, the police and other officials are becoming more and more interested in small time pirates, while ignoring hugely destructive hackers that steal and destroy data, disable communications etc.
Companies are blamed for only caring about the next fiscal quarter results, while ignoring long term development. This is exactly what the MPAA is doing here. Continued publicity is assured by finding a target every now and then at reasonable intervals. After each major attack, people seem to forget that the last one didn't have much effect either.
Psychologically speaking - pretty much any crime, be it terrorism, drug use or stealing (which piracy is a form of), the supporting head of the creature is far closer to home than we'd like to think. The thing is, that's a big problem to solve. No politician or company will want to solve problems that large.
Here's to MPAA for cutting off yet another tail. That probably only leaves a few million more. After which twice as many new ones have grown to fill the empty space. That's guaranteed long term employment for you.
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Vukir
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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Location: California
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:00 pm
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Not in violation of my support for the MPAA to protect their intellectual property, I think the proceedings get too much hype. Is it not wrong for the MPAA to attempt to capitalize more off their property while scams, identity theft, and harmful code swarm the net robbing the users?
I think if they can sit and hunt down thousands of internet users because they grabbed "Pirates of the Carribean" off the internet, I think they can go after REAL criminals who steal money and identities... But, thats just my opinion.
That, and I agree that file sharing is like the mighty Hydra. Song sharing did not die when the RIAA closed napster, it just moved to bigger and better things.
Is copyright infringment a felony? Or does it fall under some obscure undeffined part of the law?
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