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NEWS: NisiOisin's Kizumonogatari Anime Film Trailer Streamed


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Ermat_46



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:18 am Reply with quote
Lol. Let me guess that SHAFT would screw this like what they did with Negima film.
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masat01



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:36 am Reply with quote
Ermat_46 wrote:
Lol. Let me guess that SHAFT would screw this like what they did with Negima film.

Bakemonogatari sold like hotcakes and is one of SHAFT's best selling series, they would never let it fail.

And the parts that were messed up in the Negima film were not necessary to the plot. The only thing wrong with the movie was horrible planning and a short run time.
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Oneeyedjacks



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:22 am Reply with quote
That trailer has to be one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a while and dear god I loved it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:06 pm Reply with quote
So much NisiOisin it's not funny. I guess I'll definitely have to check this out. Might as well start creating a whole new section for his flicks. But I still have to get Katanagatari first.
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jojothepunisher



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:28 pm Reply with quote
Lol at the trailer, wow.......
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Kaioshin_Sama



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:24 pm Reply with quote
Chrno2 wrote:
So much NisiOisin it's not funny. I guess I'll definitely have to check this out. Might as well start creating a whole new section for his flicks. But I still have to get Katanagatari first.


Yes about that...keeping in mind this is just one person's opinion and I know I'm probably going to have an old acquitance or two bearing down on me like hawks for daring to have it most likely...I don't think NisOisin is a very good writer. I mean he's no better or worse than any other light novel writer, or a Dan Brown or Stephanie Meyer to put out names of people I find to be his American Equivalent.

Like don't get me wrong, I'm not deliberately trying to single him out here, he just churns out pulp wish fulfillment stories like he's supposed too and just happened to get really popular for it thanks in part to successful adaptations of his work that IMO far exceed his talent as a writer of the source material in more than a few categories.

To be frank I think he has the most in common with Stephanie Meyer in having a bad habit of writing characters that come across as Mary Sue's and/or fetish fuel. Anyway, again, just one person who doesn't see what the big deal about NisiOisin's writing is and who also isn't really a fan of light novels either, but for those who do and are, enjoy the show I suppose.
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bob_loblaw



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:47 pm Reply with quote
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
Anyway, again, just one person who doesn't see what the big deal about NisiOisin's writing is, but for those who do, enjoy the show I suppose.


Hey, don't be shy about sharing your opinion; especially one that's brief, to the point, fairly reasonable and doesn't include the word "sucks" twenty or thirty times.
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Kaioshin_Sama



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:24 pm Reply with quote
Bob Loblaw wrote:
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
Anyway, again, just one person who doesn't see what the big deal about NisiOisin's writing is, but for those who do, enjoy the show I suppose.


Hey, don't be shy about sharing your opinion; especially one that's brief, to the point, fairly reasonable and doesn't include the word "sucks" twenty or thirty times.


Thank you, I really appreciate that. Very Happy

I was only a little worried because I know these works and the author are very popular and sometimes within anime fandom when a work or person is very popular, no matter how a person might approach a brief criticism of them, the fandom can sometimes get a little excited if you know what I mean and can also be quick to apply the hater label. Very glad that doesn't have to happen today.

And yeah nobody really likes a person that just uses hyperbolic language in their criticisms and just bashes aimlessly. It's not a very contributory way of making discussion. Sad
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masat01



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:42 pm Reply with quote
[quote="Kaioshin_Sama"]
Chrno2 wrote:
Dan Brown or Stephanie Meyer to put out names of people I find to be his American Equivalent.


Except he won an award at twenty for being a really good writer. I don't think Twilight has won any awards for writing.

His writing is also extremely difficult as he writes with a seriously convoluted and absurd style. Not to mention those puns. Comparing a Japanese writer to an English writer is hard to do, especially when the writing is not only about substance, but language as well.


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MrTerrorist



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:05 pm Reply with quote
I wonder if Aya Hirano will return.
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Maciste



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:25 pm Reply with quote
The Nisemonogatari trailer has some footage of Kizumonogatari in it and it's not as silly as this one, actually it has some really amazing fight scenes in it.

It was linked in the earlier news announcing the Nisemonogatari series is in production. The trailer can be found here:

http://www.nisemonogatari-anime.com/
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Kaioshin_Sama



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:54 pm Reply with quote
[quote="masat01"]
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
Chrno2 wrote:
Dan Brown or Stephanie Meyer to put out names of people I find to be his American Equivalent.


Except he won an award at twenty for being a really good writer. I don't think Twilight has won any awards for writing.

His writing is also extremely difficult as he writes with a seriously convoluted and absurd style. Not to mention those puns. Comparing a Japanese writer to an English writer is hard to do, especially when the writing is not only about substance, but language as well.


Yes I'm well aware of all of this, it's also kind of why I'm not a fan. It's that absurdism that permeates much of his work, especially in how he handles female characters, that sort of puts me off in the long run. I mean I like a litle bit of absurdism, I just think he takes it a little too far for my tastes. Kind of par for the course how many LN's come across to me really. I definitely want to stress again that I find him no better or worse an author than your average LN writer....just more exposed. The artwork and character designs for his stuff are usually top notch though IMO.

That said I do kind of like what I'm watching of Katanagatari now and it doesn't feel like his usual works at all, but I think that might have a lot more to do with White Fox's (of current Steins;GAte fame) handling of the show as opposed to Shinbo's norm. When you merge an absurdist author with an absurdist director the results can be somewhat...polarizing. For example, in one of my groups of friends opinion is pretty much split right down the middle on NisiOisin's works, though we all seem to like Katanagatari.
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cyberbeing



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:55 pm Reply with quote
Maciste wrote:
The Nisemonogatari trailer has some footage of Kizumonogatari in it and it's not as silly as this one, actually it has some really amazing fight scenes in it.

That was actually footage from Bakemonogatari's short (Kizumonogatari) prelude in Episode 01, not animation from the new Kizumonogatari movie coming out. It gives you a hint of things that will likely be re-animated for the movie, but that is all. The look and feel could be completely different in the movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:02 pm Reply with quote
Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
Anyway, again, just one person who doesn't see what the big deal about NisiOisin's writing is and who also isn't really a fan of light novels either, but for those who do and are, enjoy the show I suppose.


So you have read from some of his novels? I haven't so I'm weary to judge someone's talent based on adaptations of his work. That said, the impression I get based on his creations, rather than his writing is that the guy is a creative genius, however I don't know how much of the abstract imagery, if any, comes from his mind or the production staff. It would be difficult, maybe even impossible to write some of the visuals from Bakemonogatari into a novel which makes me sometimes wonder if he's just an average writer with production committees that know how to carry him. I would like to think the guy is just that talented, but I can't judge without seeing his original work. All I know for sure is that when it comes to adapting his works I do enjoy the end results.

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Maciste



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:18 pm Reply with quote
cyberbeing wrote:
Maciste wrote:
The Nisemonogatari trailer has some footage of Kizumonogatari in it and it's not as silly as this one, actually it has some really amazing fight scenes in it.

That was actually footage from Bakemonogatari's short (Kizumonogatari) prelude in Episode 01, not animation from the new Kizumonogatari movie coming out. It gives you a hint of things that will likely be re-animated for the movie, but that is all. The look and feel could be completely different in the movie.


My bad.
Disregard my former post.
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