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NEWS: Borders' Losses for July Total US$328 Million




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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:56 am Reply with quote
....ouch.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:48 am Reply with quote
damn I remember it was bad but Jesus I did not know it was that bad .
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:11 pm Reply with quote
It's a real shame for the individual stores, since the whole thing smacks of completely incompetent management.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:24 pm Reply with quote
And my e-mail tells me everything in store is 50-75% off, now. Yozza, that's a lot more debt.

Oh well, I'm going to go this weekend to stock up on the science and history books that my Dad will like. The manga selection has gone past the point of pitiful for a while though.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:47 pm Reply with quote
Sewingrose wrote:
And my e-mail tells me everything in store is 50-75% off, now. Yozza, that's a lot more debt.

Oh well, I'm going to go this weekend to stock up on the science and history books that my Dad will like. The manga selection has gone past the point of pitiful for a while though.

I already picked up some stuff about two weeks ago and I have never ever seen Borders that packed.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:01 pm Reply with quote
Can someone finance-savvy define the word "loss"? Is the difference between the liquidation pricing and original retail pricing counted as a loss?

If that's the case, then this figure would have nothing to do with Borders' prior indebtedness, but rather the new losses they are incurring in selling all their inventory at a discount in liquidation?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:02 pm Reply with quote
Banden wrote:
Can someone finance-savvy define the word "loss"? Is the difference between the liquidation pricing and original retail pricing counted as a loss?

If that's the case, then this figure would have nothing to do with Borders' prior indebtedness, but rather the new losses they are incurring in selling all their inventory at a discount in liquidation?


A loss is the cost of everything (Inventory purchases, advertising, salaries, equipment and buildings [rent, leases, maintenance], ect) exceeding the amount of items sold (income)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:07 pm Reply with quote
The manga was 40% off when I went there a couple days ago, but sadly I didn't have enough money on me to buy that much. So I got Pandora Hearts volumes 1 & 6 and Dengeki Daisy volume 1 all for $21. Its sad to see Borders getting screwed over even more I'm going to miss them since from now on I have to buy my manga online which is going to cost a lot due to shipping. Dx
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:29 pm Reply with quote
JEEBUS. Shocked I was in there the day before the liquidation started, and it was bad then. I had NO idea they were hemorrhaging even more than before!

I have to wonder what Ann Arbor management was thinking before they realized "Oh crap, we're going down the tubes!" Ugh.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:42 pm Reply with quote
darcerin wrote:
JEEBUS. Shocked I was in there the day before the liquidation started, and it was bad then. I had NO idea they were hemorrhaging even more than before!


They sorta have to be though, don't they? I mean at pricing everything 40-50-75%, which is better then Amazon and probably cost them as much or more to originally buy it, while still having to maintain store-fronts. They might be having a bit of an influx in cash at the moment but their product is massively devaluing and they are loosing overall money that way.
At least this is my understanding of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:09 am Reply with quote
Sewingrose wrote:
I mean at pricing everything 40-50-75% [...] and probably cost them as much or more to originally buy it,

Not so sure about that. If they were to really dip too low, then other sellers would descend like a flock of vultures, presuming they couldn't just return them.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:40 am Reply with quote
bglassbrook wrote:
Sewingrose wrote:
I mean at pricing everything 40-50-75% [...] and probably cost them as much or more to originally buy it,

Not so sure about that. If they were to really dip too low, then other sellers would descend like a flock of vultures, presuming they couldn't just return them.


I don't think Borders can return the products back at this point, and I don't think other retail would be able to buy from them for their own inventory. First, there is no return option if it doesn't sell, and secondly, I'm pretty sure it's all over the contracts that they buy specifically from certain companies for X amount to resell at Y. Buying from a book seller that just defaulted on a whole bunch of debt, (where the publishing companies are going to loose money) instead of buying them from publishing company per the usual deal, sounds very likely to be against contract code.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:54 am Reply with quote
Incidentally, if ya guys are wondering the latest updates about Stu Levy as well as Kodansha International (hint: they're the experts below that's being killed by the digital revolution that killed Borders): Laughing

"Digital shift is killing Japan's best English books: The economics of pixels and bytes leave little room for the experts"

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:34 am Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:


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In the end, the switch to digital books, rampant Internet piracy and the bankruptcy of U.S. bookstore chain Borders did the company in, says TokyoPop founder Stu Levy.


And completely ignoring the fact that he himself also ran the company into the ground with his pet projects and his "OCD."
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yotsubafanfan



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:26 pm Reply with quote
This sucks, Barnes and Noble doesn't cary of the Manga I like, and neither does Books a Million, I guess I'll be buying Manga online from now on if the store in the near by town of Clarksville closes. But what sucks more is that I bought my first Manga there, Yotsuba&! vollume 3 and I bought my second favorite Manga "Axis Powers: Hetalia" there. I'm also gonna miss how they used to sell Japanese candy there. Sad
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