Forum - View topic[done] Purge/Merge: Nobutake Ito.
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braves
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Incorrect: Nobutaka Ito (伊東 伸高)
Correct: Nobutake Ito (伊東 伸高) Sakuga@Wiki, Kemonozume website=いとう のぶたけ The entry Nobutaka Ito should be purged. ---- Additionally, the entry Nobutaka should be merged as an alias of Nobutake Ito, per the sakuga wiki entry (the news mention isn't his either...). EDIT: clarification Last edited by braves on Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:47 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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EmperorBrandon
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Wait, which one do we want here, a purge or an alias? The sakuga entry seems to say he is occasionally credited as ノブタカ but does that mean he is actually credited with that (katakana given name?) or just that some sources have credited him with that reading? It appears "take" is an unusual reading for 高, but I guess this is what this person prefers, and "Nobutaka Ito" may need to be left available in case someone else with that name appears (wouldn't be entirely unlikely). |
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braves
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He's actually been credited with "ノブタカ". Ashita no Nadja ED, Doraemon: Nobita to Midori no Kyojin Den, Doraemon: Nobita's Wannyan Space-Time Legend, Doraemon: Shin Nobita no Uchū Kaitakushi. It does adds to the confusion given the usual reading in this case, but the site is pretty clear.
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EmperorBrandon
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Oh, I see... I didn't realize "Nobutaka" was a different, given name only (missed the link on that one, even though I shouldn't have since I quoted it...) entry that needs to be an alias, and Nobutaka Ito still needs to be completely purged. That makes sense. |
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Dan42
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Added Nobutaka as an alias. Leaving the Nobutaka Ito cleanup to someone else
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doc-watson42
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Yeaaah… Unfortunately, I missed this thread, and I'd put my own clean-up-N.-Ito project on the back burner. Problem 1: Reading of "伸高": "Nobutaka" or "Nobutake"? person#4084 person#92080 I guess with the second source, the Kemonozume Web site, this is settled, though a). ENADICT does not list "Nobutake" as a reading of "伸高". c). Kana "ke" is separated from "ka" by only one (neighboring) character, making a typo very possible. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/高 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/伸 http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=Japanese+names&btnG=Search+Books ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Problem 2: The following credits are incorrect: - Brain Powered (TV) (Key Animation (eps 1, 6))—per the credits (using my copies, I visually checked the key animation credits of all 26 episodes) "Nobutak* ITO" only did episode 1, and not episode 6. - Kemonozume (TV): All correct except key animation ep 13, which is not mentioned in the source given. http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/209.html (These are minor, but they need to be stated before problem 3 so that they are not forgottten.) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Problem 3: There are three different animators called "ITO Nobutak*", who are conflated into the current two people entries. (Note: this section is incomplete.) a). Most "Nobutake ITO" credits are based on http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/265.html , which is demonstrably wrong in at least a few cases, and whose reliability is therefore suspect. --------------------------------- • Primary: 伊東 伸高 (ITŌ Nobutaka (/ "Nobutake"), per ENAMDICT, plus Wiktionary for the macron) *NOT* sourced from http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/265.html : Colorful * Escaflowne: The Movie (*VC) Fractale (TV) * His and Her Circumstances (TV) (*VC) Kemonozume (TV) * Mobile Fighter G Gundam (TV) (*VC) Mobile Suit Gundam UC (OAV) * Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team, Miller's Report (movie) * Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt (TV) * (The) Tatami Galaxy (TV) http://www.saiani.net/article/196873110.html A Tree of Palme (movie) (*VC) * = Given source verifies "伊東伸高" (*VC) = Visually confirmed name in actual anime's credits by myself Unknown: Dante's Inferno Dennou Coil: also co-Animation Director ep. 6 & 12, per livedoor, but not official site (which is sparse on credits) http://www1.vecceed.ne.jp/~m-satomi/DENNOcoil_sub1.html http://www.tokuma.co.jp/coil/story/06.html http://www.tokuma.co.jp/coil/story/12.html Digimon: The Golden Digimentals (movie) Magical Project S (TV) : Key Animation (OP & eps 2,12,20,26)—OP confirmed, the rest not http://wiki.livedoor.jp/radioi_34/d/魔法少女プリティサミー --------------------------------- • Alternate 1: 伊東 信高 (ITŌ Nobutaka, per ENAMDICT, plus Wiktionary for the macron) Dai-Guard 22 ×3 http://web.archive.org/web/20090623003615/http://www.production-ig.co.jp/xebec/sakuhin/daiguard/index.html Nadesico movie: http://wiki.livedoor.jp/radioi_34/d/機動戦艦ナデシコ%20The%20prince%20of%20darkness --------------------------------- • Alternate 2: 伊藤 伸高 (ITŌ / ITO / ITOUZAKI / ITOO / TOUI Nobutaka, per ENAMDICT, plus Wiktionary for the macron) Aoi & Mutsuki: A Pair of Queens (TV) : Key Animation (ep 9) (*VC) Crayon Shin-chan: Arashi * http://wiki.livedoor.jp/radioi_34/d/クレヨンしんちゃん%20嵐を呼ぶ%20歌うケツだけ爆弾%21 Digimon Adventure: Bokura no War Game http://wiki.livedoor.jp/radioi_34/d/デジモンアドベンチャー%20ぼくらのウォーゲーム%21 Kemono (key animation ep 2) http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/209.html The rest of the credits need to be sorted out. 
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braves
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Brain Powered ep. 6= 原画：中谷誠一 伊東伸高 橋本敬史 小菅和久 新号靖
Kemonozume ep. 13- This is uncredited work and I'm pretty sure this came from the production notes on the DVD. Per the booklet that came with the DVD release they were very short on animators that were up to the standard they were looking for. Given the huge workload he took upon himself on the series, I wouldn't' say it's a stretch that he had to do key animation on an episode that he was the animation director for. Dante's Inferno- no kanji credits for this one, but looking at the other staff (Hiroshi Shimizu), I'm sure it's the same guy. Digimimon: The Golden Digimentals: 作監補：君島繁、金子秀一、山田起生、伊東伸高、松本淳、神戸洋行 ----------- As for the alternates, I don't think those are different animators at all. Alternate 2 seems to be pretty clear typo of his family name (伊東 vs. 伊藤) while alternate 1 is a typo of his family name (伸高 vs. 信高). Given the other high profile staff that's working on those projects it seems a lot more likely that these are just typos instead of two other people that share a very similar name that also work on high profile projects/positions from time to time. |
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EmperorBrandon
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I haven't checked too thoroughly on this one yet, but I have wondered if this title even has kanji credits available at all. I think it may be English-language-release-only which confounds me a bit on one issue: Kei Tsunematsu and Kotomi Deai are credited as "Assistant Animation Director", but their job was almost certainly something with 演出 in it and not 作画監督. No way to confirm without kanji credits, though.
The credits I entered under Nobutaka Ito here come from transcribing the R1 DVD's. |
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doc-watson42
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I just re-checked the credits on the Bandai Entertainment DVD, and it seems that livedoor Wiki is correct —"伊東 伸高" is at the top of the right-hand column of the genga credits (which are the first in the ED).
My point is that given the presence of other names with the same reading, livedoor Wiki is not to be trusted as a sole source.
They may be typos, but we can't be sure—again, IMNSHO the credits need to be checked against other sources, preferably the actual end credits of the anime in question. Without, say, an interview with 伊東 伸高 (ITŌ Nobutaka (/ "Nobutake")) stating that he did the work credited to 伊東 信高 and 伊藤 伸高 we should treat them separately. :::
<grimace> Given the confusion about the three different names, I'd really like kanji credits. (I originally checked all of the series which I have in my collection, but Magical Project S only has English-language credits—otherwise I would have confirmed the entry.) |
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braves
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I mean, Hideki Hamasu's name is mangled all the time, but it's still obvious that it's him given the projects he works on. If this were about some lesser known animator, then I might understand being super cautious, but not for a guy with a reputation like Ito's. |
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EmperorBrandon
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Yeah, that's true. It's unfortunate that a lot of R1 releases lack the original kanji credits, particularly old titles like this that are harder to find online. I tried digging around You Tube, but only found a Japanese kanji ED for episode 1, which wouldn't help us there. I've purged most of the credits, but not the ones where the sources don't have 伊東伸高 exactly, to leave open this debate for now. I agree with braves, though. I find it very unlikely that there are two other people who just happen to be key animators and just happen to be only one kanji off. 伊藤 is a far more common family name and I wouldn't be surprised if other 伊東 people get mistakenly credited as 伊藤 at times. The prevalence of the alternate kanji names is a bit uncertain too, as some of the 伊藤伸高 and 伊東信高 credits (rare as they are, already) could potentially be transcription errors on the part of those who entered them into Livedoor wiki. Only other thing I didn't purge was the OP Animation Director credit for Iketeru Futari, since for whatever reason Sakuga@Wiki didn't list it (and thus braves didn't add it to Nobutake), but it was claimed to come from the credits in the source. I was able to find reference to it on an older version of the Japanese Wikipedia page, though the potential typo 伊藤伸高 is used there. |
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braves
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Further confirmation of the Ito's name: Takafumi Hori, "Almost [all] cuts were redrawn by Nobutake Ito." Hori worked with him on Samurai Champloo.
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Dan42
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I finished moving/purging the few remaining tasks; the Nobutaka Ito saga should hopefullly be over.
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