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English Lyrics in J-Pop songs




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setzer



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:21 pm Reply with quote
Can somebody explain something to me? Recently while I was listening to "The Meaning of Peace" by Koda Kumi & BoA, there was English words in the song. I was just wondering why...
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jfrog



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:45 pm Reply with quote
You know how most anime fans think that anything with Japanese in it or on it is cool? It's the exact opposite across the pond. Thus we get engrish (and over here, people with tattoos that say "Happy Lotion").
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Zoe



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:21 pm Reply with quote
For that particular song, it was written in support of 9/11.
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setzer



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:17 pm Reply with quote
another song that recently came to mind was BoA's Every Heart. Is it just a BoA thing? Laughing
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CrackaJax



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:25 pm Reply with quote
Soramimi Kekki... "Cake for you!" "Tea for you!" etc. No, it's actually done a lot. I find it fun to listen to.
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Sword of Whedon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:27 pm Reply with quote
No,thousands of songs have intermittant english lyrics, tons of major acts have recorded songs entirely in English. English is "cool" in Japan. Due to the pervasiveness of American media in other countries, various phrases and words have naturally made their way into the vernacular.
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Dilandau



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:19 am Reply with quote
IT has been that way for a very long time. Even Megumi Hayashibara, Two-Mix and others used Engrish words and phrases in a large percentage of their songs.
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Osaka



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:43 am Reply with quote
I agree that they may find it cool to put it in their songs or maybe they're trying to head in an original direction so those who hear it will be like "Wow" Shocked and from there it just caught on. Maybe the english was needed to express something that couldn't be expressed in any other way. Or maybe the english culture has become a greater part of their lives so they somehow ended up incorporating some of its components Wink
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Sarki-Kun



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:59 am Reply with quote
Oh, yes, you're refering to the greatest american culture, huh?

They use to say some things in english for making it look cooler, newer, etc. We do the same at sometimes with japanese.
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Osaka



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:01 am Reply with quote
Yes of course we all incorporate Japanese into a lot of the things that we say so that we sound 'cooler'. Yet it's not just the American culture, there are so many more English cultures- British culture, Australian culture, New Zealand culture etc. it's one vast world with English culture spread everywhere (and very different in all the parts of the world) and the Japanese are exposed to all of these as well because many live oustide of Japan or are exposed to these in their home country. So I guess it's fair to say that it's not limited to just American but the broader English world ne? Very Happy
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Sarki-Kun



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:14 am Reply with quote
Hum...I think not. Let's take out from that list Australia and New Zealand. Kangaroos, surfers, Sydney's Opera House, The Lord of The Rings scenes and that things are bothering to Japan.

Why english? Apart of being the most spoken language around the world, outside of Eastern Asia, the biggest market is America. Many people who go there are americans. If someone goes to Japan without speaking japanese, he/she would try in english.

It's just because America has been a known place outside of Japan for japanese people, same for english language. You may be proud of it, be if you want. I think that's the way. Not english culture, american culture.

And we all know how huge american culture is Wink
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Osaka



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:09 am Reply with quote
Sarki-kun wrote:
Hum...I think not. Let's take out from that list Australia and New Zealand. Kangaroos, surfers, Sydney's Opera House, The Lord of The Rings scenes and that things are bothering to Japan.


I don't understand how those things are a bother to Japan considering plenty of Japanese people live in places like Australia and New Zealand.

I guess that although America is a huge market and very influential we should be a little bit more broadminded because I mean not everyone here is from America either Wink
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Vigilante024



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:26 am Reply with quote
I'm just going to kill the little thoughts of ethnocentrism here...

Its quite obvious that there are English words in Japanese songs, that's nothing new. That doesn't mean that Japan is dying to be All American.

More notably are the many instances in American Music where foreign languages, from French, German, Japanese, etc. are used in the lyrics.

Japan as well uses French, German, English, etc. in their music.

Its not new. Its more readily recognized by Americans when English is used because that is the language they know.
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Sarki-Kun



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:42 am Reply with quote
Osaka wrote:
Sarki-Kun wrote:

Hum...I think not. Let's take out from that list Australia and New Zealand. Kangaroos, surfers, Sydney's Opera House, The Lord of The Rings scenes and that things are bothering to Japan.


I don't understand how those things are a bother to Japan considering plenty of Japanese people live in places like Australia and New Zealand.


Ok, sorry Anime smile. With "bothering" I was refering that they're not constantly doing anything releated to them, or that they (Australia and New Zealand) will do something releated to Japan. Probably, I didn't explain myself as I wanted^^.
Osaka wrote:
I guess that although America is a huge market and very influential we should be a little bit more broadminded because I mean not everyone here is from America either


Well, the american proportion of users at ANN won't make change how the J-singers will create their songs. Furthermore, a very little proportion of users aren't american.

By the way...Japan songs with german short things on it?? Never heard that...-_-. It probably sounds really bad.
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setzer



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:35 pm Reply with quote
I kinda new it had been going on for a while, but I never knew really why. Thank you for helping clarify it.
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