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egoist
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Yes, you should, since that was right under something aimed at everyone discussing wincest.
That because you don't like it it's unnecessary. To answer your question, I'm interested in incest even though I've never had a sibling perhaps because the characters in question aren't myself or my sister. If I fantasize about a fictional siblings relationship, I'm fantasizing about someone else's sister, not mine. In other words, sister traits attract me; even more because I've never had one and don't know the nastiness of having one. So, I'm guessing you asked that either out of sarcasm or pure ignorance. Last edited by egoist on Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:19 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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PrettyKitty$$$$$
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@egoist Sweet Christ. You did not just compare homosexuality to an incest fetish. My ability to take you seriously has been compromised. *Backs away slowly from all the incest creepers in this thread*
Seriously though, no one is complaining about ecchi content or anything else. Only incest, as it's a very specific (and gross) fetish that seems to be pandered to every season. It's not so much that these shows exist that bothers me, it's the enthusiasm some fans on here seem to show towards them. i.e. the wincest comments and all. Basically, I'm creeped out by the fandom. |
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egoist
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Let's make it clear, PrettyKitty20034. You're applying your damn taste over someone else's and making it a fact.
How the hell is homosexually different than incest? And no, you're not complaining, you're just calling people gross based on your narrow beliefs. And please don't twist my words. I compared fictional-homosexuality fetish to fictional-incest fetish. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you just underestimated my grasp on reality and fiction. What exactly did we even say to creep you out? I just said why I like the damn thing, I never mentioned anything about parking my truck on my sister's garage. But if my tastes do creep you out, then beware, because I sure as hell will keep creeping you out.
Name 4 shows in 2010 which had incest. For the record, only 1/4 of Yousuga no Sora was incest, so you'll need 3 and 3/4 more to make that statement somewhat reliable. I'm all ears. And what's this about enthusiasm? If you think I'm being enthusiastic, then when DTB 3 comes out you'll think I'm possessed by Satan himself. Melodramatic bologus. Last edited by egoist on Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:46 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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einhorn303
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This. There's plenty of social conservatives who would be just as creeped out by yaoi and homosexuality in anime fandom, as you are creeped out by incest.
Welcome to real life, where some people think differently than you. And if casual talk about simple incest is beyond your comfort level, I don't know you'll be able to stand stuff beyond that.
On the other hand, I think only considering shows that are "purely" about incest is a bit unfair. Since if it exists in a show, it'll usually be as one element among many. I can think of many shows this year with incest themes that weren't the show's entire focus. |
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asimpson2006
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Some people are into that stuff. Remember a 2d fetish does not always mean that you would be into that stuff in real life. I do have some interest in on the 2d aspect, but no interest of it in real life, as in real life I don't see how anyone would want to either be in a romantic relationship with a sister or brother. |
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Olivine
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I'm sorry. It's probably my fault because I always express myself so awkwardly sometimes. I DO like the sibling incest themes. I just didn't understand why a lack of siblings would be the cause of liking those themes.
So maybe that's the difference. I like to self-insert into one of the sibling characters, and you like girls with sister traits. ... I don't know what sister traits are. And dude, I'm not trying to be vindictive toward you or anything. Sorry if I made it seem that way. Friends, k? 
Whats the difference between incest and homosexuality that makes one gross and the other okay? There shouldn't be a problem, unless someone is being forced against their will, or something.
I can understand the draw. Sibling bonds are extremely strong, sometimes, and in a lot of ways. Its not impossible, imo. |
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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egoist
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Then here is where our views differ. Just sharing the same DNA doesn't make you "disattracted", rather, in my view that would make you attracted instead. What really kills it is the fact that you've lived with that person since you were born. I'm not being offensive against gays because I compared it to something I don't consider disgusting, or even wrong. Perhaps if from your perspective, where incest is disgusting and wrong, then yes, to you I'll appear offensive and close-minded. And don't take it literally. If you love someone then it doesn't matter whatever that person is, as long as you both understand what you're doing (i.e. of age, etc.) Now, let me ask you something. Hypothetically speaking, if I were to meet one of my older sisters (I'm 21) whom I've never met, and we fell in love with each other, would you say it'd be wrong to seek happiness?
I've never even once thought of gays as a different species. |
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einhorn303
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I question the premise that "Behavior with a genetic basis is more acceptable than behavior without a genetic basis." What about people who are genetically predisposed towards aggressiveness or depression? For people genetically predisposed towards aggressive outbursts, is the natural path of giving into aggression moral, while the unnatural path of learning to cope with it and changing their behavior immoral/disgusting? When asked to say why incest is wrong, you've replied that it's bad because people aren't genetically wired to find it arousing. What your basically saying is "Any sexual behavior which isn't genetically hardcoded as arousing is wrong." So do you find foot, shoe, stocking, etc fetishes equally disgusting and reprehensible as incest? (If you'd like to, feel free to come up with another complaint of consensual incest that can't be answered with "use birth control and don't have kids.") Anyways, your argument is also muddled by the fact that homosexuality is only partially determined by genetics, and equally determined by environment/upbringing:
This report from the American Academy of Pediatricians also says that sexual orientation is a mix of genetic and environmental influence: http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;113/6/1827 |
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Olivine
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@egoist, Past, einhorn303
You all agree. You know that, right? |
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Etrien
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...Really? Really? You're going to throw around the word "natural" in defense of homosexuality but in offense of incest fetishism? That's downright baffling. And I'll be the first to agree that homosexuality has genetic basis. But, here you've come to agree that even though the majority of people are naturally (let's use your chosen method of emphasis) attracted to the opposite sex, a subset is still naturally attracted to the same sex. And then you use the logic that the majority of people are naturally NOT attracted to relatives, but, that the subset who ARE are suddenly cannot be natural? You know, I think you'd like a word with yourself.
Further, that natural "disattraction" you talk of is commonly referred to as the Westermarck Effect, and it is that we have a natural sexual aversion to those we've been raised around. (This would apply to the childhood friend, as well.) But, behind that, scientific theory also argues that we are actually MORE attracted to people who share our genetic traits. (Hello, Genetic Sexual Attraction) The concept that, much like certain people have a natural, biological attraction to the same sex, other people might have a biological attraction to relatives (or, read another way, a less or non-pronounced Westermarck Effect), sounds only entirely probable. But furthermore, as egoist verified, some people have an attraction even when there is no personal relevance. I'd compare this to many of the women who indulge in BL out of sexual fetishism. So, why the attraction if one doesn't share the circumstance? That's the easiest question to answer of all: the taboo. Just like a child told not to do something, we have a natural (it returns!) inclination towards things deemed forbidden - especially if those taboos can be rationalized away as benign. Slapping the "incest" tag on a fictional relationship only teases the concept of taboo in our minds - especially since fictional characters cannot actually be related. Some people find that erotic, others are averted by it. But, incest disregarded, "forbidden relationships" have been a mainstay in human fiction since, well, forever. @Einhorn - the roughly 50% rate found in identical twins can even possibly be explained away naturally through epigenetics. Though, likely in reverse - I'd assume the heterosexual twin is probably more likely to be the result of an epigenetic change, due to the drastically increased incidence rate. |
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I don't think this thread needs to drag in to a debate about the genetics of orientation. Its going way past my point which was simply to say incest is far different from homosexuality, so there is a complete disconnect between the morality of one with the morality of the other. Fortunately, the interest in reading about them in fantasy and romance is no less legitimate than any other types of romantic attractions. Some of us also have our furry porn interests and we wouldn't want to be accused of promoting bestiality, right?
And to those people who were responding to me about whether homosexuality is genetic or not, it was entirely inappropriate because that's not even what I was discussing in the first place. It needs to be taken elsewhere but I personally am not going to discuss it any further. |
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calimike
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17? I was told there are 24 TV plus OVA, OAD and Movie winter 2011 (December to February)
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Sea Lion
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Although none of these scream "WATCH ME!", I'm going to divide these into Interesting, Maybe and No.
Interesting: Fractale -- Could this be something like The Matrix or TRON? Freezing -- This sounds similar to Soul Eater with the partner system, only they're battling aliens, not kishins. GOSICK -- It might be fun because it's set during the 1920s, and I'd like to see how this Victorique solves crimes without any modern conveniences. Hourou Musuco -- Depending on how seriously they take the transgendered study, this could be a relevant show about modern issues. Rio-Rainbow Gate -- The concept is something I haven't seen before -- girl wants to rise through the world of casino dealers to be the best. Plus, the main character looks cute. Wolverine -- Because I'm a Marvel fanboy. Maybe: Beelzebub -- The concept is just odd enough that it might be a gem. Kimi ni Todoke 2nd Season -- If I see the first season, I might give the second a go. Level E -- The reason it might rise above the normal dreck is because the sudden alien roommate is male instead of female. Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magica -- Call me crazy, but this could either be totally stupid or something in the realm of xxxHolic. Mitsudomoe Zōryōchū! -- See Kimi ni Todoke. No: Cardfight!! Vanguard -- I've never been into cardfighting games, and I very much doubt I'd like watching an anime based on one. Dragon Crisis, Infinite Stratos, Yumekui Merry -- All 3 sound like they would feature the last line of the Merry blurb: "Then one day a mysterious girl falls on top of him..." They all sound like generic harem shows to me. Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? -- I get the feeling this could also be a generic harem show, but even if it isn't, the plot doesn't knock me off my feet. Oniichan no Koto Nanka Zenzen Suki Janain Dakara ne—!! -- Not a fan of incest, thank you very much. |
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sirkoala13
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My thoughts after reading the summary for Infinite Stratos:
That sounds kinda cool. At least it's not just another fanservice or moe title.
Dammit! Some of them seem pretty interesting, 'specially, Beelzebub, and yay Mitsudomoe's back. At least this season I can just choose a few titles to follow while I catch up on the stuff I haven't gotten around to this season yet, or the last, or the one before that... |
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