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NEWS: Tokyo's Youth Ordinance Bill Committee Vote on Monday


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eragon2890



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:37 pm Reply with quote
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rinmackie wrote:
Kodomo no Jikan isn't available in the US, and in Japan, I believe it's already restricted to adults only. So this bill won't affect it. Probably the same for Kiss x Sis, I think. (Though I think it is streamed here.)

I don't know of any place in the United States that legally streams Kiss x Sis. If you are talking about illegal streams, then Kodomo no Jikan is available as well.


But that was a decision of the publisher, tough. As I said above, the senate tried to make a law banning virtual child porn, but the Supreme Court shot it down using the First Amendment/Freedom of Speech. Freedom Of Speech even applies to realistic CGI renderings that are (for the naked eye, an expert can easily find out it's fake) indiscernible from real life child porn.

I don't live in America, but: GOD BLESS THE FIRST AMENDMENT! Twisted Evil
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I'm worried that this law passing might cause more mangaka to put series on hiatus indefinitely. 2 have already canned their series and I would be very upset if someone like Akamatsu (who was opposed to the bill the first time they tried to pass it) quit working on a series.

Hopefully something happens to counter the JDP support and this doesn't pass and stays in the trash forever. There is no reason to get uptight over works of fiction.
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eragon2890



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:35 pm Reply with quote
ZeetherKID77 wrote:
I'm worried that this law passing might cause more mangaka to put series on hiatus indefinitely. 2 have already canned their series and I would be very upset if someone like Akamatsu (who was opposed to the bill the first time they tried to pass it) quit working on a series.

Hopefully something happens to counter the JDP support and this doesn't pass and stays in the trash forever. There is no reason to get uptight over works of fiction.


Very unlikely if he's got brains. If people cancel there series over this they are baka =D Not that I don't agree with you about "no reason to get uptight" Wink
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ZeetherKID77 wrote:
I'm worried that this law passing might cause more mangaka to put series on hiatus indefinitely. 2 have already canned their series...



I've seen this being spread around but not seen anything to back it up. Got source?
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Uh, did I miss something here? I thought everyone was up in arms about this bill because it would ban almost everything that wasn't already restricted, like hentai. Now it's like, no, it's only hentai and other hard core stuff, everything else is safe. As long as we have our fanservice, everything is ok, and no one cares about social commentary. And then it diverged into a conversation about Strike Witches.

So, WTF?! Shocked


Hentai and fanservice were never targets of this bill in the first place, since they are already regulated. read this Wink http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/ (last three points of the sum-up)


I think you misunderstood me. I know this bill isn't about hentai because it's already restricted. But based on what I read and others have said (including Dan), it could apply to most fanservice because the wording is too vague and it will be up to the government to decide what's harmful. Not only that, many of the anime studios (most of whom don't make hentai) are worried, as well. Almost everyone in the anime/manga industry is worried about this bill and since I would assume they know better than us what's at stake, then I think it's reasonable for us to be concerned as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:37 pm Reply with quote
sunflower wrote:
ZeetherKID77 wrote:
I'm worried that this law passing might cause more mangaka to put series on hiatus indefinitely. 2 have already canned their series...



I've seen this being spread around but not seen anything to back it up. Got source?

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=275956
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Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.

Sources: Ito Masaki's blog, Takaku's tweet, Meiji's tweet, Sankei, Mainichi, Yomiuri
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:21 am Reply with quote
Eragon2890 wrote:
...the senate tried to make a law banning virtual child porn, but the Supreme Court shot it down using the First Amendment/Freedom of Speech. Freedom Of Speech even applies to realistic CGI renderings that are (for the naked eye, an expert can easily find out it's fake) indiscernible from real life child porn.


is that to say the decision was effectively a consequence of a Freedom of Speech appeal rather than (and thus in contrast to) a rationale determined on the basis of the social and ethical considerations of the issues concerned ?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:59 am Reply with quote
garfield15 wrote:
sunflower wrote:
ZeetherKID77 wrote:
I'm worried that this law passing might cause more mangaka to put series on hiatus indefinitely. 2 have already canned their series...



I've seen this being spread around but not seen anything to back it up. Got source?

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=275956
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Mangaka Takaku Shoko tweeted that one of the major publishers turned her manga down because one of the characters in a high school uniform could contravene the local ordinance of Tokyo. She was frightened to know that the bill has already made the industry flinch.

Mangaka Meiji Kanako tweeted that the re-release of one of her manga has been under deliberation because of the descriptions of minors' sex in the manga. She said she won't be surprised if it's canceled.

Sources: Ito Masaki's blog, Takaku's tweet, Meiji's tweet, Sankei, Mainichi, Yomiuri


BL titles would be the first group to get affected by the bill and the easiest to target due to subject matter. High school student dating his teacher (just an example) ... no surprises there.
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It just passed through the general affairs committee, all that's left is approval on wednesday by the whole assembly.

Japanese: http://www.47news.jp/CN/201012/CN2010121301000306.html
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:29 am Reply with quote
eragon2890 wrote:
TheAncientOne wrote:
rinmackie wrote:
Kodomo no Jikan isn't available in the US, and in Japan, I believe it's already restricted to adults only. So this bill won't affect it. Probably the same for Kiss x Sis, I think. (Though I think it is streamed here.)

I don't know of any place in the United States that legally streams Kiss x Sis. If you are talking about illegal streams, then Kodomo no Jikan is available as well.


But that was a decision of the publisher, tough. As I said above, the senate tried to make a law banning virtual child porn, but the Supreme Court shot it down using the First Amendment/Freedom of Speech. Freedom Of Speech even applies to realistic CGI renderings that are (for the naked eye, an expert can easily find out it's fake) indiscernible from real life child porn.

I don't live in America, but: GOD BLESS THE FIRST AMENDMENT! Twisted Evil

Upon review, I see you were probably talking about the manga, not the anime. Sorry.

That Supreme Court ruling did not prevent one from being prosecuted by other means, of course:
animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2010-03-02/7

I think this points out the major problem with the Tokyo law: It has the same type of "I'll know it when I see it" subjectivity as U.S. obscenity statutes.
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please excuse the engrish

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl%3Fa%3D20101213-00000472-yom-soci&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiBak_ZZX5nZUcKu-mg9_VcI9Hqhg

Cartoon passed regulations to sexually ... 総務 Metropolitan Assembly Committee

読売新聞 12月13日(月)14時25分配信 Yomiuri Shimbun , December 13 (Monday) at 25 minutes 14 delivery
子どもの登場人物による露骨な性行為が描かれた漫画などの販売・レンタルを規制する東京都青少年健全育成条例改正案について、都議会総務委員会で１３日午後、採決が行われ、賛成多数で可決された。 Healthy development for young people in Tokyo ordinance amendment to regulate the sale and rental of sexually explicit cartoons depicting characters from children at 13 pm Tokyo Metropolitan Government Affairs Committee, made a vote, passed by a majority vote was.

１５日に開かれる本会議で可決・成立する見通し。 Expected to be enacted in this conference to be held on pass 15.

同改正案では、子どもの登場人物による、「刑罰法規に触れる性交等」を「不当に賛美・誇張するよう描写した漫画」などは、第三者機関の審議を経て、書店に対し、一般の書棚から成人コーナーへ移すことを義務づける。 In the bill is due to children's characters, "such as criminal law sexual touching" with "cartoon unfairly portrayed as exaggerated praise" and, after deliberation by third parties, for the bookstore, the public be transferred to the adult section requiring the bookshelves. 例えば、幼女が性的暴行を受けるシーンが続く漫画などが対象となる。 For example, to be followed and the comic scenes of sexual violence receive little girl. 来年７月までに施行される。 Be implemented by July next year.

同改正案を巡っては、ＰＴＡ団体などが早期の成立を求める一方、漫画家や出版社などが反対声明を出すなどしていた。 Over the same bill, PTA and other organizations seeking the establishment of an early, and had to make a statement against the cartoonists and publishers, such as.

最終更新:12月13日(月)14時25分 Last updated: December 13 (Monday) at 25 minutes 14

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