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yotsubafanfan
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While I hear a lot of ya'll complaining about Wreck it Ralph but imo its by far the best movie of the year. So much detail that I didn't notice when I went to see it the first time. I mean, we have cameo's everywhere and DIsney even went back in time a little in their history to include a "Sonic Says" cameo (which I found hilarious), I found the movie to be really well written and really enjoyable. When I went to see the movie in theatres for the first timespoiler[ I was actually shocked to see that King Candy was Turbo] and things really don't suprise me a lot. I can't wait to see a sequel and I hope it lives up to its name (unlike a certain movie about talking Cars that made a horrible sequel)
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enurtsol
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I get where you're coming from. Regular VAs should get their props too, and some now do. Yet celebrities are sometimes necessary to get more people excited about the show. And if ya think about it, anime does the same thing, except it's the celebrity seiyuu who get invited. Yes, they're seiyuu and that's good, but they're also celebrities nonetheless. So they're being used the same way.
Nowadays, animation is not selling just the characters but also the whole persona surrounding the characters - and that includes the celebrity VAs and seiyuu. That's why when the shows are released, the VAs always do the usual talk show round, and the seiyuu attend events dressed up to look like their characters as close as possible - all to promote the shows. It's no longer just the character itself anymore.
Yes, even Studio Ghibli in Japan does the same thing, except they use Japanese live-action celebrities instead of anime celebrities, albeit Miyazaki is more selective on who he picks.
It's not much different from anime in that regard - whether that's good or bad is up to you. Yes, story is important, but nowadays fans value more the characters with whom they develop relationships. (I think a famous Japanese anime producer said something like that in an ANN interview a few years ago.) Although the combo of good story and relatable characters what would make good to great, they're willing to forgive a generic story as long as they can enjoy their favorite characters again. |
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Kelly
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but isn't the point that Ralph joins forces with other arcade villains tired of being the bad guys (I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get)? If that is the case, then you'd have to be right, because if I remember my childhood correctly Mario actually started out as Donkey Kong's villain. I got killed by his barrels at the arcade quite a few times growing up. |
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Sheleigha
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Heh, I didn't even THINK of those being based on Sonic Sez :p As for spoiler[the Turbo thing, I was VERY surprised too!! I mean, it was a back story used, but was pushed to the back of everyone's minds with the rest of the story going on. Bravo for a great plot-twist!] Oh, and as for Cars 2, I must say that I actually enjoyed it better than the first one... The bright colours of Tokyo and Monte Carlo were A LOT more attractive than a desert >_> I have a feeling that it was Pixar's first and last attempt at doing a sequel for a cash-grab (most likely due to committee pressures because of how big of a cash cow the merch of the first one was). |
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RestLessone
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I've really been meaning to catch Wreck-It Ralph. I've seen a lot of positive feedback across the (figurative) board.
I liked Cars more, just because I felt it had a more cohesive story line. Both are probably the most "cliche" of the Pixar films, but Cars 2 just didn't have much of an impact on me. It never stood still. I do admit, though, that a huge chunk of it was utter eye candy. To be honest, I think Lasseter had a lot to do with pushing Cars 2 through. While I am not denying that its marketability had a lot to do with its conception, Lasseter loves cars; they seem to make him happy and nostalgic. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I've heard such mixed opinions on Wreck-it-Ralph, so I'm gonna try to see it this week if it's still available. But for kid films this year, I don't think anything will top ParaNorman as far as writing, characters, and moral lesson. Also, it's not CGI, and that means massive brownie points. I can appreciate and respect the art of live doll manipulation more than having a computer do everything for you once the model is completed. Hell, it's even easier now that basically every action is mo-cap, making it more or less the same as rotoscoping. I'm always far more impressed when one lone guy has to move dolls just ever so slightly, 24 times a second, for an entire film. But again, I can make my final assessment of "good" children's motion pictures for this year once I've seen Ralph.
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lostrune
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I guess kids movies have nothing really going for them for adults
I'm not sure the average mainstream non-anime watching man is going to watch a show because Kobayashi Yuu is in it. The only people who know her are anime and video game fans. Japan does the opposite and markets their work towards the fans, not the bored adults who are dragged to the theaters by their kids.
Not at all. Plenty of anime characters voiced by the same person look and act different. You can't lump anime into this kind of practices.
Grave of the Fireflies cast seem to only have a few roles, actually. Nothing big at all.
I think the anime director meant anime and other works with substance to them, not children's movies where the characters are just Jack Black in a panda costume But actual characters. |
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Vata Raven
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It's a matter of opinion. I couldn't give a damn about Wreck it Ralph, I don't care for the video game character. But I loved Rise of the Guardians, that's the best movie for the this year, along with Brave. And so what if they use Hollywood actors for the voices. As long as they can do the job, no big deal (not liek I know many in the first place0. Sure, would be nice is Pixar wanted to use Yuri Low or Freeman (or any other top talent anime VAs), but...whatever, maybe 1 day it'll happen. I know Freeman got a small role in Howl's Moving Castle. |
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enurtsol
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Yep! That was Mario before he became Super Mario! But Mario was the hero; Donkey Kong's the villain. Ah, arcades and Game & Watch. (Trivia: who's the girl Mario is trying to save from Donkey Kong?) But no, it's only Ralph who is tired of being a bad guy.
Heck, at first we thought they were using "going Turbo" as a reference to Street Fighter II Turbo.
That gave us similar (good) feeling as Coraline.
Even the South Park guys swore off it after Team America!
What are you talking about? Wreck-It Ralph is an all-ages film - it is for everyone, but there are elements in it that only those in the gaming-history know-how would appreciate. I'm guessing you haven't seen it yet, have you? (If not, I suggest you see it first before you criticize, so at least you're familiar.) Twice my friends and I seen it, at different theaters --once in the afternoon, once at night-- at least half the audience were high schoolers or older with no children tagging along. It usually takes older folks to know gaming history. GeekDad from Wired magazine put it more methodically here: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2012/11/10-things-wreck-it-ralph/ It's like the Pokemon films. Sure, Pokemon films are also for all-ages, but leaning towards Pokemon gamers. People don't have to know too much about the games to appreciate the films. But those who do have the know-how about the Pokemon games would appreciate the films better.
Huh, guess I have to elaborate this one to you too. It's all about knowing who the target audience is. For instance, Wreck-It Ralph is targeted for the mainstream family audience, with the leaning to those older who appreciate gaming history. Ergo, they have celebrities whom the mainstream would recognize, but they also have celebrities whom those who know gaming would appreciate. For example, I already mentioned the music used in the movie - more specifically, Skrillex contributed an original music; there's the AKB48 song for those who know J-gaming, and the theme song is by Buckner and Garcia, which I'm sure only gamers would be familiar. Similarly, otaku anime are targeted towards otaku, so they use seiyuu celebrities whom otaku would recognize and appreciate. The anime industry is using their celebrities the same way Hollywood is using theirs to target all of the family - to get their respective target audiences more excited.
Yes, it is. It's not how the characters look - it's how the celebrities are used. The celebrities are being used to expand on the persona surrounding the characters. Do you think any loli-tsundere would garner the same excitement if they aren't using Rie Kugimiya? Rie Kugimiya playing the loli-tsundere would undoubtedly take the character to a higher level of excitement for the fans.
Picking a single film trying to prove a rule, eh? GotF is not technically Ghibli film anyways, as I already expounded here before. Furthermore, that's but one example exception to how Studio Ghibli generally operates with its many other films (which of course you did not contradict). Watch the making-of extras on the Ghibli discs.
Why are you citing stuff that don't even pertain to the discussion? Are you running out of ideas again? The anime producer was talking about how Western animation tends to focus more on the story, while Japanese animation tends to focus more on the characters. BTW, many anime characters are not actual characters but rather archetypes. That's not substance but rather fill in the template.
Chris Sabat (Vegeta, among others) is in Wreck-It Ralph. It wasn't till the mega-blockbuster that was The Lion King when Disney really started using Hollywood actors in earnest. With that big of a success, it's to be expected......... |
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ShindoW
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Yes, this! Also I really enjoyed this movie. I was surprised that it was much different than advertized but not in a bad way. I did feel a lot of the movie focused on Sara's character (I really hate Sara Silverman but put it aside because she does a good job voicing in this film), but it all tied back to Ralph in the end. I'd enjoy a sequel. It's one of the better Disney films in awhile (and the short, Paperman, was very good!) In regards to other films, Tangled mildly interested me, I loved Cars 2 more than Cars, and I haven't seen Brave or Paranorman yet. I would love to see Paranorman at some point. |
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Chrno2
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It's almost starting to sound like a "Pixar" project. When they wanted to put Barbie in the first Toy Story, but didn't due to rights. Then when the film was a success here comes 'Mattel' begging. But now 'Disney' has massive rights, it probably wouldn't be a problem with the amount of money that could be offered. But do we really need a sequel?
Hell, I haven't seen the first movie and already we're talking about a sequel. |
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Cain Highwind
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Huh? I think you mean Kyle Hebert. Sabat's not even credited for anything in WiR on IMDB. Also to answer an early question you had. It's supposed to be this game: Sonic the Fighters
Not all that unusual really. The world and concept behind WiR has a lot potential including console and online games being the focus. |
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Sheleigha
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The movie itself was about the evolution of gaming, so it makes sense to further that. I'm just not sure how they would get to the console world. Their world is enclosed in that arcade, but ehhh they'll figure something out, including whatever story they might have for it. I mean, I'm sure lots of people were skeptical about Toy Story 2 when it got announced, but many consider it much better than the first! So... time to wait and see. |
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LUNI_TUNZ
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I only saw the commercials and haven;t seen the actual movie yet, but wasn't Bowser in the movie?
And therefore, Super Mario can be in the sequel? Also, to join the Actor/Voice Actor debate, even Billy West sort of agrees, and is against the idea of celebrities getting jobs in major pictures over Voice Actor if for no reason other than, "HEY, THERE'S [famous person]". I mean, if they actually auditioned and got the role for being good, that's a totally different thing.
If you're asking because you don't know, it's Pauline. She was Mario's girlfriend, and was just a regular person. (I.E. Not a Princess of some strange land) http://www.mariowiki.com/Pauline |
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Crispy45
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That's one reason I can't get into US movies x_x The characters just feel like celebrities or bad impersonations of them. Plus the writing tends to just be aimed at little kids and safe and predictable.
I do find it kinda sucky that even the 'biggest' cartoon VAs like Tara Strong or whoever else is one can't land roles in movies. I mean I hate Tara Strong with the force of a 1000 suns for her annoying brony attitude, but still you'd thing someone like her could land a role in a Dreamworks/Disney/Pixar movie or something. >_> |
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