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EP. REVIEW: Mushishi: The Next Chapter


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archipel



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:28 pm Reply with quote
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Stylistically, it's the same old Mushi-Shi, (that's a high compliment,) but the stories are just so much better than they ever were before

Am I really the only one who think the stories in the first season were a lot better ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:35 pm Reply with quote
archipel wrote:
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Stylistically, it's the same old Mushi-Shi, (that's a high compliment,) but the stories are just so much better than they ever were before

Am I really the only one who think the stories in the first season were a lot better ?

i think they're all on par. I loved some of the stories in the first season and some in the second

feck i want the manga, damn you kodansha
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:08 pm Reply with quote
I have to agree with Hope that this season is a huge step up (from an already high mark), and that a lot of that has to do with the thematic unity. The first season had the uniting threads of mushi and Ginko but it felt a lot more like an anthology series, like just a series of incidents that didn't have much to do with each other except for those two broad things. There's clearly more of a larger concept behind this season, and it's so much better for it.

And Ginko and that "certain special female character" definitely need to, um, get closer. (OTP! Embarassed)
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RAmmsoldat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:30 pm Reply with quote
just watched the episode in question, brilliant stuff.

"there is no place you do not belong"

It always saddens me when I hear other anime fans call shows like this boring as these are the kinds of shows that really add depth to the medium.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:14 am Reply with quote
Great review Hope. I would have given it an A-. This or Parasyte are the anime of the year. I liked both halves of the manga equally and never felt that the anime had noticeable highs or lows. A short epilogue(the new manga was just fodder for the new episode about the sisters right ?) would be nice. Isn´t one of the first storys technically the last or at least very far along ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:43 pm Reply with quote
I feel like you missed the entire point of the Kairou and consequently the episode. It wasn't that it "sapped his life force": Ginko tells him not to go back again because it will cause him to fuse with the mushi. The result is one of the most subtly terrifying and insidious episodes in the series: it ends with spoiler[the Kairou basically imitating the husband and luring the wife back into it as well.]


It's another chapter in the second season's apparent interest in the ambiguities of identity and consciousness, and an extremely understated exercise in supernatural horror.

The subplot with the boy in Kaoru's past adds a kind of equally terrifying moral element to it as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:50 pm Reply with quote
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I feel like you missed the entire point of the Kairou and consequently the episode. It wasn't that it "sapped his life force": Ginko tells him not to go back again because it will cause him to fuse with the mushi. The result is one of the most subtly terrifying and insidious episodes in the series: it ends with spoiler[the Kairou basically imitating the husband and luring the wife back into it as well.]


Yeah, his life becomes one with the mushi, as in the mushi eats him up completely, but it wasn't the Kairou possessing him at the end: that was all his decision to take his wife in there. That was 100% him. The idea was that he chose to remember the good things about forever living in the past (not having to face his own mortality or the death of his wife) and chose to forget the dread and ennui of reliving everything over and over and not knowing why. Of course, that dread and confusion is what the audience is left with, implying that his decision was not ultimately worth it.

I agree with you about the message of the episode and why it's supposed to be a horror story (although I thought it was tepid by Mushi-Shi horror episode standards,) but the climax is not the Kairou possessing him and making him take his wife down there. He's very clearly himself and that choice is based on not wanting to face her inevitable death.

鏡 wrote:

The subplot with the boy in Kaoru's past adds a kind of equally terrifying moral element to it as well.


I actually thought this was totally squandered. The entire point of that scene was to show this otherwise boring guy with a really chill life's first encounter with the concept of regret and "if only," and show that it impacted him strongly, foreshadowing that he would give into it in the end. But that was literally all it was, when I was thinking they were going to do more with that detail since so much time was spent on it. So yeah...it's still good Mushi Shi stuff! But by Mushi Shi standards, most episodes are better than this one was. I feel like I've seen its ideas and even its brand of time loop narrative many times before. Competent. Some amazing and memorable shots and imagery...but the narrative underneath is a little "ten minutes of story in a 23-minute sack."
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:59 pm Reply with quote
I'm probably over-thinking things here, but did the entire world reset itself every time the protagonist entered the cave - or was he trapped in some sort of pocket universe? The answer is ultimately unimportant, but this is the sort of thing I think about.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:07 pm Reply with quote
JesuOtaku wrote:

Yeah, his life becomes one with the mushi, as in the mushi eats him up completely, but it wasn't the Kairou possessing him at the end: that was all his decision to take his wife in there. That was 100% him. The idea was that he chose to remember the good things about forever living in the past (not having to face his own mortality or the death of his wife) and chose to forget the dread and ennui of reliving everything over and over and not knowing why. Of course, that dread and confusion is what the audience is left with, implying that his decision was not ultimately worth it.

I agree with you about the message of the episode and why it's supposed to be a horror story (although I thought it was tepid by Mushi-Shi horror episode standards,) but the climax is not the Kairou possessing him and making him take his wife down there. He's very clearly himself and that choice is based on not wanting to face her inevitable death.



I actually thought this was totally squandered. The entire point of that scene was to show this otherwise boring guy with a really chill life's first encounter with the concept of regret and "if only," and show that it impacted him strongly, foreshadowing that he would give into it in the end. But that was literally all it was, when I was thinking they were going to do more with that detail since so much time was spent on it. So yeah...it's still good Mushi Shi stuff! But by Mushi Shi standards, most episodes are better than this one was. I feel like I've seen its ideas and even its brand of time loop narrative many times before. Competent. Some amazing and memorable shots and imagery...but the narrative underneath is a little "ten minutes of story in a 23-minute sack."

In what capacity was it still Kaoru though? I agree it wasn't that the kairou was possessing him, but Kaoru as a person no longer exists if his identity has been subsumed into the Kairou. The mechanics are ambiguous beyond Ginko using the word "fuse" which if we take to mean "become one with", then both the Kairou and Kaoru stopped being individuals and together became a third thing. The essence of the horror in the episode is in how no attention is really called to that fact, which resonates with the fact that Kaoru forgot the only indicator of these consequences: Ginko's warning. The Kairou never "possesses" him, and he chooses to try and save his wife out of his own free will, but on the final entrance into the Kairou his identity was wholly consumed by it, like Ginko said it would be. What we're left with is the wife starting to be lured into the Kairou by her husband, who is a now supernatural, ambiguous identity called the Kairou.

I interpreted the subplot as the boy casting a kind of deeply disproportionate curse on Kaoru; the causal chain from Kaoru's first meaning with the Kairou stems all the way back to the boy's decision to drain the sake, and without that decision it's likely Kaoru never would have met the Kairou.


Just to be clear I'm referring to the very last scenes in the episode, after Kaoru's last entrance into the Kairou. He's oblivious of the Kairou because he now is the mushi, and after being brought into once, the wife is now being lured into assimilation as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:13 pm Reply with quote
It's an interesting way of looking at it, and I see your point. Food for thought! I'm sure there's layers to the episode I didn't catch on the first go-round, but emotionally, it didn't grab me like most of season 2's episodes have, and the repetition got to be a little much, even for a time-loop story.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:32 am Reply with quote
It's an A for me.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:20 pm Reply with quote
Agreed. Miss the opening theme. Also really miss the opening narration.
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endallchaos



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:10 pm Reply with quote
This newest episode might be my favorite Mushishi episode of all time. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:42 pm Reply with quote
The time travel episode is the best that will come. A+
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:02 pm Reply with quote
Just watched the latest 2 eps back to back, my god this show is good.
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