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mdo7
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I have the NHK World TV app on my Android phone so I can watch this program.
For anyone that don't have NHK World on your TV subscription. There's an app to watch it: NHK World TV App on Android NHK World TV Live app for Iphones NHK World TV app for Ipad The thing that stink is that NHK World won't upload the full episode of any show on Youtube for anyone on demand. So you might want to watch it today and/or tomorrow. |
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ColonelYao47
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I can always count on Bamboo to find any Chihayafuru-related material. I need to watch more NHK World.
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mdo7
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Yeah NHK World is alright. I only watch it for the news, and J-Melo. But I wish it had anime and J-dramas (the only to watch J-dramas and anime on NHK is either watch it on NHK World Premium or TV Japan meaning you have to pay extra and I was told TV Japan subscription is getting more expensive, NHK's anime and J-dramas that are on NHk World Premium and TV Japan have issues with me, the issue is that only 1 or 2 J-dramas are subtitled in English, the same goes for anime, no English subtitles). NHK World Youtube page don't upload any full episodes of any programs shown on their TV. |
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GATSU
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Now if only Japan would do televised kendo matches....
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Meygaera
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I know what I will be watching over dinner.
Wow that was short it was literally like 10 minutes of Karuta. But I liked what they did with the audio processing and when the players move their hand. |
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Hypeathon
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First of all, HOLY CRAP!! Thank you so much Bamboo for posting this Interest article! I don't know how you found out about this, but I'm so glad you did. I missed the first airing, but caught one of its reruns.
Second, okay so... apparently competitive karuta players have to memorize the second half of the poem as well as the position of all their cards and go after the card they think is being read from the beginning of the first half of the card. I think that's how it goes and if it is, then that explains a bit. Although it doesn't seem to be against the rules to wait until the whole poem is read, there's no telling when your opponent would get that card being read before you, thus your encouraged to get the card as soon as possible.... I think. Some of this is unfortunately still unclear to me though, such as the whole "1,2, or 3-syllable card stuff", but I would imagine that requires extensively learning Japanese. Speaking of syllables, some of those players and how they can get the cards so quickly... they're scary! 
Seriously, that's cool how some players can tell what card is being read by right when the reader starts exhaling his/her breath. The other segments were also cool to see, such as the robot sumo segment. I noticed there was a bit of music from Summer Wars used. But seeing this and the karuta and ski jump reminded me why I like the idea of sports shows. Knowing what some of the athlete/players are like and getting inside of their heads and most importantly how passionate they are, that's something I don't see so much when watching, say an actual basketball or baseball game. I think what doesn't engage me about watching sports as much as I like (based on what I usually see anyway) is seeing and hearing the sport from every other perspective, but the player's. That's something I don't get so much watching actual games and yet feel way more likely to get when watching a sports anime. |
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EspressoTibbs
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Here it is on youtube if you miss the re-runs.
http://youtu.be/5uY6iYYSUEc Very interesting stuff, makes me want to watch Chihayafuru all over again. |
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mdo7
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You do realize that after a few days or a week after that get uploaded, NHK will have that video taken down from Youtube. So if I were you, I would watch quickly as possible before it get taken down. |
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Elves
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Here I thought that in Chihayafuru the sound guys had to be exaggerating how loudly participants were striking the cards on the tatami. I guess they're not!
I'd be so afraid I'd jam my finger or something if I even attempted to play Karuta. But that's not gonna happen because my memory skills will never be up to it! |
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unready
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Hmm, they specifically talked about poem 57 by Murasaki Shikibu, but they explained it with a somewhat out-dated historical context.
It's even one that Chihayafuru got right. In the episode where Kana goes to return Chihaya to studying for exams when she sneaks out to watch Taichi compete, on the train back Chihaya mentions how the poem is written like a love poem, but it's really about losing an old friend. Murasaki had a childhood friend who got married. The marriage was considered successful in traditional terms, because it produced 3 children. But Murasaki's friend was unhappy and didn't want Muraski to see how unhappy she had become, so they only saw each other at official court functions, but never spoke because Murasaki's friend avoided her. Murasaki wrote the poem about passing her friend at night, but not even being sure she recognized her friend. Chihaya compares it to how she and Arata only meet at tournaments, but never get a chance to talk. Well, it's still an interesting clip, especially the high-speed camera on the eternal master who picks out the card before the reader even says the first "syllable." |
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EastN3
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I love sports anime, but hate actually watching sports. Do you guys feel the same way, or is it just me?
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Meygaera
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Yep that's pretty much how it works. The players have cards that have the 2nd halves of the poems written on them. The reader reads aloud the first half. When you hear the first half read then you find the card with the 2nd half written on it. So yea basically you need to memorize the first half of the poem and be able to recognize the second half in order to make the connection. Because each game only uses 50 cards and the reader goes through all 100, sometimes the reader will draw a card that is not in play, that's called "kara fuda". If you touch any cards while a kara fuda is read then your opponent gives you one of their cards.
This is where it gets interesting. Obviously you don't need to listen to the entire first part of the poem to know which 2nd half to grab, you only need to listen long enough until the unique part is read (called "kimariji"). For example, there are 6 poems that start with the "ko" sound. Four of them have 2-syllable kimariji, and the last two have 4-syllable kimariji. Here's why, one of the poems starts off with "ko re ya ko no yu ku mo..." but there is no other poem that starts with "ko re", once you hear that "re" sound then you can know which 2nd half to grab. The other three poems that are 2-syllables are unique at: "ko i" "ko nu" "ko no". The two 4-syllable cards are unique at "ko ko ro ni" and "ko ko ro a". Because they both start with ko ko ro, then you can't know which one it is until the last "ni" or "a" is read. That's why these two are 4-syllable cards. But once one of the two is read, the other one drops to becoming a 2-syllable card, because no other cards start with "ko ko". As the game goes on, more and more cards become unique at sooner syllables. Now let's say that "ko ko ro ni" is in play on your side and "ko ko ro a" is not in play. Once you hear "ko ko" then you should "cover" your "ko ko ro ni" card by placing your hand over top of it (without touching it) so your opponent can't get to it. This gives you the advantage once the unique part is read because your hand is closer to it now. If "ko ko ro a" happens to be read, then nothing happens (as long as you didn't touch the cards), but if "ko ko ro ni" is actually read, well then all you have to do is push your hand down a bit and WHAMMY!!! you win the card while your opponent was trying to sneak his/her hand under yours. This "covering" tactic is considered good defensive play.
Yea that master was insane. That was literally a zero syllable card for him. Some people can hear differences in the way readers say the same syllable. So if they hear "ko" they might be able to tell that it's actually "ko re" instead of the other three that start with "ko". |
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dragonmastr
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Thanks for posting this! I tried to watch the stream on NHK's site but couldn't get the video to load so I was kind of bummed out about missing it. |
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rookie_one
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thanks for the link. pretty informative segment (also enjoyed the robot sumo part as well). i might have to join you in a Chihayafuru marathon. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I like watching sports, but most traditional sports anime hold no interest for me. I really only got through the Aim for the Ace movie because it was in 720p, it's iconic, and Gunbuster parodies it. Though if an anime is still structured like a sports anime, but doesn't have a traditional activity, I can still usually enjoy it, like Chihayafuru, Girls und Panzer, Saki, and Yakitate Japan. |
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