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Fencedude5609
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KyoAni had absolute nothing to do with Kannagi. |
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Myaow
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Super sweet article! I love the Giant Robo->Misuzu "gao" connection (and Nagisa and Golgo)-- too funny!
Let's take a minute to be sad that Key and KyoAni aren't really doing stuff together anymore. I think that those two studios were a perfect match, with KyoAni drawing out Key's strengths like nobody else has, and Key giving KyoAni a place to show off their growing skills. I'll be wishing on every star that they do more work together one day, maybe on something like Rewrite (or maybe just maybe the far-future second coming of Angel Beats?) |
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Mr Adventure
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That is one suggestive looking Brontosaurus.
Oh I'm sorry Apatosaurus. |
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nargun
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The big problem with Air is that it's trying to tell, what, three different stories, and so has three separate dramatic arcs and three endings. I mean, stitching that sort of thing together is a key part of doing a VN adaption, but the way Air managed it so ham-fistedly really shows up how big a problem it can actually be.
For that alone it's worth watching. In both senses of "for that alone". |
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malvarez1
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I can't speak for Air and Clannad, but I loved Kanon.
Like the author of this article, I'm not really a moe person, so I watched Kanon reluctantly. But I'm glad I watched it, I thought it was a very emotional show with beautiful animation and memorable characters. You know, I really do need to watch Air and Clannad. |
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Galap
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To answer the final question of the article (whether or not I like any Key shows), the answer is a flat, resounding 'no'.
I don't like the character designs, I don't like the story (or what passes for a story in some cases), and I sure as hell don't like the way the fandom reacts to those titles. |
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Gyt Kaliba
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Maybe I'm just one of those 'saps' you refer too (okay, actually, I know I am at times anyway), but Air is one of those few shows to actually almost bring me to the brink of tears. Take that for what you will.
Anyway though, I'm an odd kind of fan. I don't like any or every title, but the insane differences between the types of shows I like are pretty weird compared to most fans I'd bet. I'm a lover of shonen like Dragon Ball and Naruto, but I also love the rom-com stuff like I"s or Love Hina (only experienced a bit of the latter there though). At the same time, I also like some darker stuff like Zetman (the manga anyway), and then to the other extreme, the really sappy, emotional stuff, such as Air and Kanon. If nothing else though, I definitely have to commend you for finally giving it a shot. That's something I try to do with any title, is at least give it it's fair shot, at least so far as checking out a full description of it, or of checking out a video (be it a trailer or an AMV), and so on. If you didn't like it, hey, at least you gave it it's fair shot. |
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Fencedude5609
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What? What does this have to do with anything? |
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Galap
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It's just gotten a little old to see all that stuff like "HNNNGGGGG the FEEELS bro, the FEEEEEELS" puked all over the internet for years. I guess I should clarify my statement to say that not all fans of those shows bother me; just the (fairly significant) fraction of them that behave like that. Clannad in particular has developed a pretty crazily cultish following that's insidiously annoying. |
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Joe Mello
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Then you'd better learn to stop liking things, because just about any type of fandom, anime or otherwise, has these types of people in it if you look hard enough. Of the three, I've only watched Kanon. None of the "deaths" bothered me, though spoiler[ [EDIT: Added spoiler tags. - Key] |
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Fencedude5609
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Oh really? Please, point them out. |
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invalidname
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For turning Clannad After Story into Squeeze's "Up The Junction", please accept this Nobel Prize. |
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Doughboy88
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You just don't understand the feels. I've only watched Clannad so far of these three and that was only after watching Angel Beats (which was not mentioned) and wanting to see what else Key had done. I do have to say that I am definitely a fan of it, but I'm not overly fanatic about anything like some people get. Have to mention that Sunohara had the issues with the soccer team not Okazaki because that is Tomoya's family name. |
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Melanchthon
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I can think of a lot of things worse than that. In fact, some bourbon and Hold Steady sounds pretty good right about. You can keep the bad weed. My problem with Clannad is as follows. First, the first half of After Story is basically filler. Nothing in there really adds anything to the story. The second half, where all the beautifully tragic emotional catharsis comes in, well, spoiler[ by the whole magic reset happy ending, that means NONE OF THAT STUFF ACTUALLY HAPPENED. The entire beautiful message is negated, and I have a hard time dealing with that. ] Of the three, I think Kanon is the best. I have a strong antipathy towards Air, and while I appreciate Clannad, I didn't really care for it. The reason must be the moe. Ayu is the only tragic female I really felt moe for, so of course I like it better. But I think Kanon is better from techincal aspect as well. I actually imported a Kanon Art Book, and it came with a CD that was entirely filled with all the different ways Ayu said 'Uguu' throughout the show. There were 80 some, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, as much as I hate to admit it, I am a hopeless romantic at heart. Probably why I enjoy shoujo manga so much too. Although, now that I think of it, Key shows are basically shoujo shows for men.
Oh, that's too bad. You have to see Kanon 2002. It is one of the worst anime ever made. That is not hyperbole, it is an entirely factual statement. Not only is the animation abysmally bad, the pacing is all screwed up, all the romance is removed from the story, and the male lead is an utter wanker who spends most his time being a dick to all the girls instead of, you know, saving them, which is the whole point of the story. It's so bad it's almost impossible to find rips of the show, as if the collective fandom tried its best to eliminate all knowledge of it, and the only copy I could find had such a brain-numbly bad weeaboo translation it was almost unreadable too. In short, Kanon 2002 is the kind of thing that you show to Guantanamo Bay prisoners. Which is why I consider it a must-watch show--it has to be seen to be believed. And since Mr. Toole brought music metaphors up first, I have to say I can not think of Clannad without thinking about this song. Besides, Clannad gives off more of a Arcade Fire vibe than a Hold Steady vibe anyway. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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That was a long, long read Mr.Toole and I enjoyed it. I really respect you dedication/time you took for doing this article, let alone watching all three key/visual arts series in span of 2 months. Oh if you can Mr.Toole, I highly recommend the tomoyo after "manga" if you liked her charter more or like spin-off's in general.
I'm going to be nice about this as much as possible do not or ever let fans ruin a piece of media for you. If this happens then you become a self loathing hater with out actually watching the said material and I've been down that road far, far to often. Last edited by Cecilthedarkknight_234 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:51 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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