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enurtsol
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Burn! Burn! Burn!
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grooven
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I don't see why we needed to review Clannad again after having a review a couple years ago. The only difference is it looks better. This will only spark debates
As a huge fan of the franchise and game what I can say the anime didn't do well enough to piece the story together to give it sense of why all the routes must be completed. Leaving everyone (non gamers) in the end completely freaked out . Another irk was why two of the stories (which were also male characters and one character removed) were removed. They had great emotional impact and of course added to the story. As to say it doesn't feel real, in cases of Tomoya he is the most realistic with his story. But then again we are watching an anime, since when are characters suppose to be real 0_o. KEY is known for supernatural and female characters who are known for their cute attributes. They way the story is structured is to give emotional stories. I'm guessing this is just 1-26 You burned the DVDs? I can't tell if that is a joke or some retarded act. Why would you bother mentioning that? Last edited by grooven on Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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nechronius
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"Cry, the show may as well be shouting, cry like a little girl." That really does sum up the show well, along with Air and Kanon and to a great degree, Angel Beats.
A very well written review that does a good job of summarizing the show down to its nuts and bolts. Like a good artificial sweetener masked in a tart beverage, you may not know it's not real sugar unless someone points it out to you, at which point you might wonder whether they're pulling your leg or not. Perhaps the overall rating is a bit harsh, but not unreasonable for someone who was trying to be objective while fighting back manly tears when cutting onions and being pepper sprayed. |
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Otaking09
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I'm guessing he's saying that his respect for the effort of the manipulation behind Clannad (and what the effects are...) rival how cheated he felt while actively knowing what it was. Coming from someone who watched the Key series chronologically, I, too, took the Clannad franchise as a big slap in the face. I look back, and yes, it does take skill to reinforce massive moe fans, if not outright create new fans, but... is that art? Skill to manipulate not evoke? |
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Vaisaga
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Clannad was really good until they screwed up the Kyou and Tomoyo arcs. Then it became just okay. At least they made up for that with the OVAs.
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grooven
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That is just a bit too childish at any rate. Slap in the face? How so? As opposed to their prior works? To me it evokes emotion, not through manipulation. To say it manipulates is to say any other anime would be just as manipulating depending on the genre. These are just well rounded stories with tragic/sad ends. It is just storytelling. I enjoy these stories. Perhaps I just have a completely different view as a visual novel player, in general.
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boredandlazy
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Whether you like Clannad or not, that's not for me to say. However, I do find it offensive for the reviewer to infer that fans only feel emotionally attached to these characters because they've been 'manipulated'.
Whether you think the characters are 'underwritten' or not, I genuinely became attached to them so I don't feel I was manipulated at all. I will admit that without After Story, the first season would probably struggle to make my top ten, but in reality it's one long 45 episode series split into two chunks and the overall package is what makes it my favourite anime. |
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Otaking09
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No... in how they refuse to teach their "one-trick" pony anything new.
No, it is not to say any other anime would be as manipulating. Stories have drama with characters we either like or dislike. The strength of the character depends on how he/she deals with plight based on who they are It becomes manipulation when the characters cling to their debut personalities; a story would have growth and reflection that show how far they've gone. Think of Tom Hanks' Larry Crowne since that's the best movie example I can think of that serves Clannad's way. In any case, having a view of a visual novel player is not what Carl is under and I'm assuming he's reviewing the contact based on the release matter he's critiquing. If being a fan of the series' subject matter makes the anime more enjoyable to watch, doesn't that right there cement Carl's diagnosis that the show is only portraying what worked before? And if you don't think adapting Clannad could've been done any other way, well, that's what the Persona 4 anime marks in anime history for now!
I don't think he said "only". And I think he mentioning that Air and Kanon doing pretty much the exact same thing (the only difference being they have brevity), makes his manipulation claim seem more valid since the formula works. Last edited by Otaking09 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:10 am; edited 2 times in total |
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vinamara
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I felt used and manipulated in After Story thanks to the ending.
Couldn't decide whether I should be demanding a refund for all the river of tears I shed or shut up and accept the happy ending. Felt like a copout but deep down I was relieved. |
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050795
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I liked Clannad when I first saw it, but I didn't fall in love with the show until I saw Clannad: After Story. I agree that the show is really formalistic and I can understand why that would turn people off, but I really appreciated how realistic the romance between Nagisa and Tomoya was. It was refreshing to see characters fall in love,spoiler[get married, and start a family] in a more natural/realistic way as opposed to the unrealistic fairy tale romance that you usually see in high school romance show.
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Ryvius213
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I guess you could call it "manipulation", but when you think about it, what captivating series DOESN'T use "manipulation"? Honestly, I think any good series would be able to draw out the emotions that the creators expect, whether it's excitement, sympathy, happiness, or sadness.
While I don't think Clannad was the best thing ever, I also think it's a bit unfair to give it low ratings because you saw what the creators were trying to do.(I'm actually not sure when that's NOT the case for good series) From the way you talked about the series, it seems like you liked the characters and actually enjoyed the series. I can understand that it might feel cheap to tug at heartstrings, but the fact that the series does it so well should be a pro, not a con. And it's not like the series is overly depressing; I felt that it actually felt quite balanced between the comedy and the drama, and for me it seemed like it was just a little sad, not so depressing that I would cry nonstop. It didn't seem like the series piled tragedy upon tragedy like you made it sound. |
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boredandlazy
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Well, they are adapting pre-existing material. You can't really criticise KyoAni for staying true to the source material.
You see I don't think of Clannad as a cookie-cutter copy of either Air of Kanon. Sure they're all romance based stories, but for starters it's made fairly obvious early on which direction the romance will be heading rather than say Kanon, which has a healthy 'who will he choose' vibve going for it for most of the story. I also think the characters do change and grow, although this is certainly more evident in After Story. All I'm just trying to get across is that if arguably Clannad is being manipulative, then basically every romance story with a bit of tragedy involved should also be labelled as such. |
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Vortigernus
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"One would have to have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without dissolving into tears...of laughter."
Oscar Wilde made this quote about the novel The Old Curiosity Shop (Ch. Dickens) And it fits Clannad perfectly 
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PetrifiedJello
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So, it's worth owning on bluray because of the lines?
*looks at lines on the girls Couldn't agree more. 
Bad joke out of the way... I've been fighting the urge to get this on bluray. I don't doubt the quality would look great in 1080p, but the entire path to go from sub to bluray means this series will get a triple dip, and that... bugs me. Mildly, of course. Not like how the upgrade costs to Blue Drop infuriated me (still!), which won't get a bluray release. *sigh* Well, time to cough and bend over. |
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Hypeathon
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...........I think there's a bit of a misconception with characterization here. It's not about whether characters are realistic, but rather if their human behavior is believable (or even animal behavior if the character is an animal). I guess if you were imagine acting out the role of a certain character and that character had seemingly awkard traits, do you feel you can get inside of that character's head and make sense out of his/her personality based on his/her age, gender, family relationships, ethnic background, time period, interests, etc.? |
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