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chefneer



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:21 pm Reply with quote
Kinda makes me wish I were a French wine maker. Sort of.

Sounds like an interesting manga though, since I am a wine fan myself.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:02 am Reply with quote
So essentially the guy didn't like the idea of the common folk buying his wine? I don't know, I guess I'd be too flattered that people traveled from Japan to buy my wine to pull it from sale.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:09 am Reply with quote
Gotta remember, there's a finite amount of wine that a single vineyard can produce, so if there's a sudden boom of unmet demand, it just gets scalped for outrageous sums of money.

Which isn't to say he's not being snobby about it. I'm sure he's also doing this because the people who would buy it will buy it because of the show and not to enjoy the wine, much like fans of Sex and the City going shopping/eating in NYC. As a former New Yorker who had heard more than one acne pockmarked, doughy woman in sweats shriek, "OH-mygod I am SOOO Carrie right now!" I must say that, though it's pretentious as hell, I sympathize entirely.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:46 am Reply with quote
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The manga Kami no Shizuku, also known as Les Gouttes de Dieu, revolves around a young man seeking to inherit his father's wine collection who has competition in the form of his father's adopted son. The father was a wine critic, and in order to inherit the vast array of wines, the two sons must compete to identify 13 obscure wines.

That sounds pretty dumb.

But I suppose I would have said that about, say, Hikaru no Go.
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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:15 am Reply with quote
Just gotta wonder what other animes have done.

Bartender alone has mentioned what, several different liqueurs? Initial D pretty much inflated the prices of the Toyota AE86 Corolla.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:35 am Reply with quote
jsevakis wrote:
Gotta remember, there's a finite amount of wine that a single vineyard can produce, so if there's a sudden boom of unmet demand, it just gets scalped for outrageous sums of money.

Which isn't to say he's not being snobby about it. I'm sure he's also doing this because the people who would buy it will buy it because of the show and not to enjoy the wine, much like fans of Sex and the City going shopping/eating in NYC. As a former New Yorker who had heard more than one acne pockmarked, doughy woman in sweats shriek, "OH-mygod I am SOOO Carrie right now!" I must say that, though it's pretentious as hell, I sympathize entirely.



I can understand wanting to curb demand so prices don't jump too drastically, but it's the bit about keeping a small stock for connoisseurs that made it seem snobby to me. I guess to me, one person's money is as good as the next. If they can afford it, then I'd sell it to them, I don't much care why they want to buy whatever it is I'm selling.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:51 am Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
So essentially the guy didn't like the idea of the common folk buying his wine? I don't know, I guess I'd be too flattered that people traveled from Japan to buy my wine to pull it from sale.


TheGuardian wrote:

He said he wanted the wine to be "sold for the accessible good of everyone and not only be reserved for people who buy luxury wine." He keeps "a small stock" for those buyers he deems genuine connoisseurs, and has only raised the price from €15.50 (£13.20) to €18.


Greed1914 wrote:
I can understand wanting to curb demand so prices don't jump too drastically, but it's the bit about keeping a small stock for connoisseurs that made it seem snobby to me. I guess to me, one person's money is as good as the next. If they can afford it, then I'd sell it to them, I don't much care why they want to buy whatever it is I'm selling.

The "problem" is that there is a massive speculation and commodities market out there where people buy wine not to drink it but to have it appreciate in value and sell it to someone else. He simply doesn't want the bottles to become part of this market and to be enjoyed by people. (Amusingly, one of the links says their friend hated the wine.)

The advantage is that either way, the winery's name is now out there and this will help sales regardless of the vintage. I don't know how specific Japanese people are toward vintages but just going from another bottle on the shelf to a known brand is a typically a huge deal.

It doesn't look like this entirely worked though. Wine-searcher is pulling up anywhere between $30 and $100 for a bottle.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:11 am Reply with quote
The Guardian article is all messed up:
First, there is no "Japanese television cartoon" version of Kami no Shizuku.

And second, live action or mythical toon, the March ending occurred in March 2009, not March 2010.

Rather than trouble The Guardian, ranting about it in ANN forum felt more natural. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:03 pm Reply with quote
bayoab wrote:

The advantage is that either way, the winery's name is now out there and this will help sales regardless of the vintage. I don't know how specific Japanese people are toward vintages but just going from another bottle on the shelf to a known brand is a typically a huge deal.

It doesn't look like this entirely worked though. Wine-searcher is pulling up anywhere between $30 and $100 for a bottle.


Step one: Create super-popular manga about wine.

Step two: Indirectly control wine market.

Step three: Quietly buy up tons of bottles of some inexpensive, obscure vintage.

Step four: Write an entire story arc around said vintage.

Step five: GET RICH.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:09 pm Reply with quote
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Château le Puy

That's pronounced " le Pee" Wink
Translate "sell to connoisseurs" to mean "sell to the highest bidder" Wink On the otherside of this I found Japanese malt whiskey on the shelf of my local Tesco supermarket recently. It seemed the odd one out next to all the Scottish, and Irish malts.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 3:36 pm Reply with quote
The problem with many French wines is that they tend to become overpriced, solely because they are French wines. A lot of it is due to manipulation of the market for the purpose of keeping prices high. Last year French wineries had a surplus, due to a bumper crop, and rather than putting it on the the market and depressing prices they dumped thousands of gallons of wine down the drain. Wine they could easily have sold, but by reducing the available quantity prices remained high.

I love French wines but I rarely buy them anymore, there are others available from other parts of the world that are just as good for a lot less money. You can still get good value for some French vintages, but you have to hunt for them, and that can be a lot of bother.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:08 pm Reply with quote
chefneer wrote:
The problem with many French wines is that they tend to become overpriced, solely because they are French wines. A lot of it is due to manipulation of the market for the purpose of keeping prices high. Last year French wineries had a surplus, due to a bumper crop, and rather than putting it on the the market and depressing prices they dumped thousands of gallons of wine down the drain. Wine they could easily have sold, but by reducing the available quantity prices remained high.

I love French wines but I rarely buy them anymore, there are others available from other parts of the world that are just as good for a lot less money. You can still get good value for some French vintages, but you have to hunt for them, and that can be a lot of bother.
It's just as well because most of them weren't fit to give to a pig to drink anyway. This year's Beaujolais has been extremely disappointing compared to last year's.
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chefneer



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:47 pm Reply with quote
Good to know, I haven't tried this year's Beaujolais yet.
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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:42 am Reply with quote
dynasore wrote:
The Guardian article is all messed up:
First, there is no "Japanese television cartoon" version of Kami no Shizuku.

And second, live action or mythical toon, the March ending occurred in March 2009, not March 2010.

Rather than trouble The Guardian, ranting about it in ANN forum felt more natural. Wink


Well, what do you expect by a paper that is only read by people who think they should run the country.
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LordRedhand



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:24 am Reply with quote
Wyvern wrote:


Step one: Create super-popular manga about wine.

Step two: Indirectly control wine market.

Step three: Quietly buy up tons of bottles of some inexpensive, obscure vintage.

Step four: Write an entire story arc around said vintage.

Step five: GET RICH.


Admittedly yes that is a plan to success that some take... perhaps not the make manga part but it's probably there to spike demand.. unlike the cocoa happenings, where there is already a ton of demand and like one guy owning 15% or so of the world's supply of cocoa beans and jacking up the price... article- http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/07/18/europes-entire-cocoa-supply-bought-out-analysts-suspect-market-cornering/

But what I don't understand is why in this instance he'd be concerned about secondary market prices.. unless that "small stock" should be read as an investment.. to be sold later..
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