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NEWS: Australian Sentenced for Cartoon Child Pornography


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Daemonblue



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:44 am Reply with quote
I kinda feel bad for the Australians, seeing as a good deal of them don't like these kinds of laws and their representatives are ignoring their wishes. just look at this recent law http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/28/australian-censor-bo.html which basically says if they have small breasts they're banned from being porn stars. I'm just wondering how the lawmakers are getting away with such, for lack of a better term, idiotic legislation that objectifies women moreso than what they're banning.

Ah, but I've gone off course a bit...anyway, hope this silly law gets changed, for reasons mentioned thousands of times before.
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Jaymie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:20 am Reply with quote
Ew, The Simpsons porn? Are you kidding me?

I'm guessing that they were more harsh with their classification of it as obscene material because of The Simpsons' widespread popularity. If it were Anime or Manga they would probably be more forgiving (mostly because it's hard to tell the age of some characters sometimes, while they obviously know Bart and Lisa's ages).
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Kirikiri23



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:03 am Reply with quote
Jaymie wrote:
Ew, The Simpsons porn? Are you kidding me?

I'm guessing that they were more harsh with their classification of it as obscene material because of The Simpsons' widespread popularity. If it were Anime or Manga they would probably be more forgiving (mostly because it's hard to tell the age of some characters sometimes, while they obviously know Bart and Lisa's ages).



Do you really think that?

anyway this is pathetic Australia is getting close to china
with legislation like this
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:28 am Reply with quote
My read on this artical is that he was convicted of possesing cartoon porno because of his previous conviction with actual child pornography. If Australia is anything like the USA then one of the terms of your probation is that you will not view/have any pornography, legal or illegal.

As for banning small breasts, The pendulem has swung so far over to the "protect the children at any cost" that there will soon be a backlash and the pendulem will start to swing back.

I remeber a movie we watched in school once, "Romeo and Juliet", with a topless 14 year old (not sure how old the actess was) Juliet.
Will they ban this movie also?
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luisedgarf



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:57 am Reply with quote
JHawkNH wrote:
My read on this artical is that he was convicted of possesing cartoon porno because of his previous conviction with actual child pornography. If Australia is anything like the USA then one of the terms of your probation is that you will not view/have any pornography, legal or illegal.


Don't you think that's an intrusion into the intimate life of someone, regardless if a convicted criminal or not? No wonder why justice system in English-speaking countries often meddles in the affairs of other people and I think that human rights are a privilege that a judge can be take and give to people in the Common Law, not laws .
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:07 am Reply with quote
Well he couldn't stay away from the material apparently. Now he has all the stigmatism of an "offender". The guy should have known better imo.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:30 pm Reply with quote
luisedgarf wrote:
JHawkNH wrote:
My read on this artical is that he was convicted of possesing cartoon porno because of his previous conviction with actual child pornography. If Australia is anything like the USA then one of the terms of your probation is that you will not view/have any pornography, legal or illegal.


Don't you think that's an intrusion into the intimate life of someone, regardless if a convicted criminal or not? No wonder why justice system in English-speaking countries often meddles in the affairs of other people and I think that human rights are a privilege that a judge can be take and give to people in the Common Law, not laws .


I'll save you the trouble of potentially getting berated for this by asking you nicely to refrain from making overly broad generalization. Not to mention it's a pretty big leap to say that this one instance shows that all English speaking countries have a legal system that meddles in other peopele's affairs.


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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:30 pm Reply with quote
Irony can be found in that Australia used to be a penal colony and the citizens fought for democracy, only to have that very democracy turn its citizens back into criminals.

Visit Australia in my lifetime.

No reason to take a chance on getting arrested upon entering the country. They may find my Hawaiian t-shirt offensive.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:52 pm Reply with quote
luisedgarf wrote:
Don't you think that's an intrusion into the intimate life of someone, regardless if a convicted criminal or not? No wonder why justice system in English-speaking countries often meddles in the affairs of other people and I think that human rights are a privilege that a judge can be take and give to people in the Common Law, not laws .


He was convicted in 2003 for possessing real children in pornographic pictures. There isn't much wiggle room there, dude. He may have gotten some form of probation or prison & then parole. Anyone in those systems know full well what they can & cannot do as a means of complying since parole or probation are usually granted in lieu of a jail/prison term. I have had guys say "I want to sit it out in jail" rather than do a 6 month drug program, etc. Whether you realize this or not convicts LOSE certain rights. My guys are unable to freely move between states because, as convicted felons, that state they may want to move to has the right to refuse an undesirable convict from moving into their fair state. A healthy number (over half) are ordered to abstain from alcohol during their supervision. Some are denied access to the internet. Some cannot have a checking account-all based on the sort of crime committed. I saw one order out of Texas that the defendant had to get regular haircuts while I was told of another was put on probation for life from that fair state.

Yes, I do think it is extreme to nail someone for fictitious kids porn, but this guy had to know the terms of whatever sort of supervision he was on & thus he's just really dumb to violate on the chance he wouldn't be searched. Even if he were off supervision, he had to suspect he would be a prime case to be searched if they wanted to prove this law (ie-cops would likely have an easy search warrant from a judge for his computer). Most people can have a beer & be done, but alcoholics can't. This guy possibly has some serious issues most of us don't in regards to children & sex.

Don't get convicted of any major crimes if you want to retain all your rights, kiddies. My clients moan & groan about how they never realized how much it would impact their lives
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russ869



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:19 pm Reply with quote
Jaymie wrote:
Ew, The Simpsons porn? Are you kidding me?

What, you've never seen that? That doesn't even begin to stretch the limits of Rule 34.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:55 pm Reply with quote
Jaymie wrote:
If it were Anime or Manga they would probably be more forgiving (mostly because it's hard to tell the age of some characters sometimes, while they obviously know Bart and Lisa's ages).


I was thinking the same thing since it seems like a number adult-aged characters in today's Anime/Manga are usually mistaken for kids/early teens due to their child-like eyes.

If I were Matt Groening or Craig McCraken, I'd be upset at the dirtbags who did those nasty drawings of the child characters of "The Simspons" and "The Powerpuff Girls".
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:58 pm Reply with quote
stararnold wrote:
If I were Matt Groening or Craig McCraken, I'd be upset at the dirtbags who did those nasty drawings of the child characters of "The Simspons" and "The Powerpuff Girls".

You do realize that Marge "posed" for Playboy, right? I sincerely doubt he'd even bother with this news. Never mind, letting a imaginary child get drawn and be seen by a few hundreds is much worse than having a respectable imaginary housewife, with 3 imaginary kids, an imaginary husband, dog and cat "posing" for millions of grown up men. I sincerely don't know which of the two humanity should be most ashamed of.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:03 pm Reply with quote
kefkaownsall wrote:

Article wrote:
The ACL claims that current restrictions on game ratings are more important now than they've ever been because improving technology results in ever-more-sophisticated games that are thus more likely to cause harm.
Oh, you poor Americans and Europeans are being "harmed" by your 18+ games. The horror. I'm so glad that a fringe so called "Christian" group that only has a membership of less than 3,000 and no more represents Christians than it does regular Australians, can dictate what the other 21 million Australians can view.
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Furthermore, according to ABC Analyst Antony Green, most Australians are actually in favor of censorship.
No, you're confusing voter apathy with agreement with censorship.
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Sydney2K



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:32 pm Reply with quote
New article on another Australian convicted on the same kind of charges.

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A Macgregor man who collected cartoons of children being sexually abused has been sentenced in the ACT Magistrates Court to a year of weekend jail.

Downloading cartoons was William Paul Bellew's hobby and he had as many as 10,000 on his computer, 127 of which were the subject of charges.

Last week, the 54-year-old told Magistrate Grant Lalor that he did not know the child abuse pictures were illegal.

''It never crossed my mind that they were pornographic, because they were cartoons,'' the accused said.


http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/child-abuse-cartoon-collector-sentenced/1740781.aspx

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