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Aylinn
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If someone thinks there is no more magical-clone stuff, you are very wrong. The magical-clone stuff is present to the very end. Be prepared for more freaking clones/substitutes etc. I'm surprised that this flashback has got so much praise, I remember it bored me to no end. The whole idea is unbelievably contrived and it is cute for cuteness' sake. What kind of parents send a seven-year-old child to a different dimension? It's like sending a seven-year-old child to a different country alone. Not mention that the said seven-year-old child is ok with risking not seeing his parents anymore, because he considers it his duty to help a girl he got to know one week ago  Besides, Syaoran's level of maturity at the age of seven is so outstanding that it is pushing the suspension of disbelief too far.
After this flashback Syaoran's determination and devotion seems even more artificial than ever before, IMO. |
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vashfanatic
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...or it once more demonstrates that CLAMP doesn't understand children whatsoever. Typical 7-year-old boys don't go throwing their lives away for the girl they just met. This whole flashback was a bit of wallbanger for me. It is, however, much better than anything that is about to happen. Poor, poor xxxHOLiC getting sucked into this stupidity...it looks to be recovering, though, so I think I'll continue with it. |
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neocloud9
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*snorts* I'm sorry, but if anything, it feels like CLAMP wrote themselves into several holes and wound up trying desperately to link completely unrelated plot threads in the hopes of maintaining at least the semblance of a continuous narrative. I'll be curious to see your reaction to how everything's "wrapped up" at the manga's conclusion. Thank goodness they're keeping it simple with Kobato, s'all I'm saying. |
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s.alsa-man1991
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What kind of parents? Exactly the kind of parents Syaoran's are, which is dealt with in subsequent volumes. Though it is true that Syaoran himself is bizarre in his determination. I also disagree that this is a master-piece of the shonen battle/adventure genre, but at least it doesn't end up reduced to a series of battles with ever-stronger foes, like most shonen manga. Truth be told, I enjoyed some arcs of this series (most of all the Tokyo Revelations arc), but I only read it to understand xxxHolic, which is the true star of the two. |
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Aylinn
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Yeah, I know this is explained by this incredibly stupid twist spoiler[I mean that C!Syaoran and C!Sakura are his parents, so they have to send him to make this wish and to be cloned, otherwise they will never come into existence.] However, I thought that people who don’t know future events would think that either Syaoran's parents are not-so-nice-people or Syaoran is such a pain in the ass that his parents get rid of him as quickly as possible. Last edited by Aylinn on Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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littlegreenwolf
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When has Syaoran, in any of CLAMP's universes, or any 7-year olds in any CLAMP story, every been typical? It's a shame some don't understand this. Syaoran was a very sweet kid, and Sakura has always been the sort of girl people around her become attached to. How could you not want to save her? Besides all that, what's wrong with the love at first sight sort of thing? Syaoran and Sakura are THE Clamp couple. Of course Syaoran, in any form, is going to want to save her. As to Syaoran's parents being bad parents, it seemed a bit harsh but Syaoran (again, whatever CLAMP story you're going by) has always been a very mature kid for his age and apparently still grows up in a family that apparently takes responsibility for various magical things that happen in the world. Even if I didn't understand all the way what was happening with the scene at the time, it seemed like his parents didn't have much of a choice. Don't forget too that in CCS Syaoran's family sent him to Japan, by himself at the age of 10, to collect the Clow Cards. This kid can take care of himself. |
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vashfanatic
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....you're actually proving my point that in general CLAMP doesn't know how little kids think. Sakura and Syaoran in all their incarnations are basically adults shrunk down into little children's bodies. Also, should I consider these two Syaorans the same Syaoran? Certainly not all of the cross-world parallels have been identical. Why shouldn't I expect that an author or an author team has to develop characters within a series rather than just trust we've read another book with a character with the same name and design? They managed to do it well with everyone else, why should they take shortcuts on Syaoran? And again, as someone noted above, his personality gets "explained," but it's even more ridiculous and shoved-together than just having a 7-year old fall in love at first sight. While later elements of the Tsubasa story actually make perfect sense and work really well, spoiler[especially Yuuko's role in the whole matter, as well as her eventual fate], by and large I got the impression that CLAMP lost control of this sucker. Plot-lines are left unfinished, characters left standing on the sidelines, logic is thrown out the window. And the beautiful art praised here becomes... nigh impossible to follow, though I'm sure a nicer volume addition would ease some of that. |
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wandering-dreamer
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Oh yes, this is where most fans started yelling about mind-screws. *Shudder* One of the most convoluted stories I've ever read and not in the good way. Still, maybe the official translations made it easier to follow?
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rabrek
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Does anyone read CLAMP for "typical" little kids? I go in knowing that pretty much every last character is going to be atypical, marked in some way by destiny, bloodline, or luck/circumstance. S&S aren't characters in a slice-of-life school setting, after all. Might as well complain about how CLAMP characters are all so darn good-looking, when the vast majority should have pleasing yet average appearances that reflect that of the general population. I'd argue that "atypical children" is as much a part of the CLAMP model as those stick limbs that defy anatomical good sense. S&S are adults in kid bodies because they aren't your average, sheltered, modern kiddies - who would probably perish before the end of the first volume, being unprepared to cope with what awaits them in your average CLAMP story. Not that that wouldn't be its own sort of fun... |
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Faeverily
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It's exactly what, and quite possibly the only thing, Syaoran's parents can do for him. You have to take into account that the entire future of the space-time universe relies on their family and their magical roots...I won't delve any further, seeing as how it would be a spoiler. Boy, are you people in for another mind-screw once Chapter 223 rolls along 
I totally agree with you. Syaoran and Sakura aren't your average kids, so don't expect them to be. |
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Aylinn
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The problem with S&S from TRC is that their strong relationship at the age of seven after knowing each other for one week is pushing the suspension of disbelief too far. As far as S&S from CCS is concerned, this couple is so much better done than any S&S from TRC. Sakura and Syaoran from CCS don’t fall in love with each other at first sight, their relationship is formed in a less far-fetched way. Their characters are developed, which is something that any S&S from TRC lack as they remain the same throughout the whole series. Not to mention that the traits that Clamp gave S&S from TRC feel Mary Sueish, IMO.
If you read my second post in this thread, you will notice that I’m familiar with the biggest wallbanger of this series. |
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CCSYueh
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The same kind that allows her 10 yr old to wander the countryside capturing pokemon? I forget how old the kid in HunterXHunter is. How long was Grandpa Gohan dead before Bulma showed up to take Goku on that adventure? (I will give you Saiyans sending their babies off into space to conquer worlds is an exception. Sort of like Jor-El sending his baby son off into space)
Was there an age limit to how young a political hostage could be? Do we know how old Vegeta was when he was sent to Frieza's court as a hostage?
If he has been groomed to this all his life, where is the problem? We see bodyguards in these titles trained to give their lives for the person they are ordered to protect from pretty young ages, don't we? How old was Chiriko/Fushigi Yugi? I remember he was pretty damned young.
Kids are interesting creatures. Depending on what one teaches them, they are pretty resilliant. One hears stories of abandoned kids fending for themselves, etc. 2 yr olds calling 911 to save mom. It depends on what the child is groomed to take-what the adults surrounding that child have taught the kid to do. A parent with health issues might teach a child basic CPR(where mommy keeps the heart medicine) or the 911 bit. I've never seen the point to sheltering a child to that extent. While I cannot imagine doing it myself, I have heard one CAN send one's child unescorted on an airline to a waiting adult in another city. |
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