Forum - View topicNEWS: AI-Powered Webtoon Platform 'RealToon' Officially Launches
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Kougeru
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I hope it folds in under a year
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Soulwarfare
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God this sounds awful
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FanGamer24
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I know people are always like "AI Bad" but this sounds fine. Easing production is exactly how AI should be used. It's not replacing the artist just making their jobs easier. Of course it all depends on whether or not the end result is actually good.
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sarusa
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How f@#$ing Orwellian is that name, using 'Real'?
Yes, I know it's 2025 and we're in Angry Toddler land. |
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Nionel
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Seriously? If you can't handle the workload than don't become and artist. A lot of talented and hardworking creators have put hours into honing their craft and created masterpieces. This platform sounds like it going to let young people take shortcuts to put out what? A bunch of generic looking slop? Even more Isekai?
This just feels like a huge mistake... |
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writerpatrick
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It sounds like a way to teach AI how to do animation so they can replace artists.
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FanGamer24
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Right because it's not real art unless you're destroying your life trying to make deadlines. God forbid we take steps to make things easier for the artists. |
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ATastySub
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Sure would be nice if we did instead of pouring money into stealing from them and making their lives worse. |
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FanGamer24
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That's just nonsense so called artists like to spread because they don't understand the technology. AI doesn't steal art anymore more than a newbie artist does when they redraw other people's work for practice. |
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Raebo101
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^ Exactly. And I'll go a step further. AI "art" is antithetical to what art even is. The HUMAN element is what makes art what it is. If you use AI to generate it for you, it is no longer art; it is a product. A worthless product. A product that was cobbled together by work stolen from ACTUAL artists, mind you. So if you use it, you're not only not an artist, but you're a thief as well. If you're someone who looks at AI generated slop (knowing it's AI) and genuinely likes what you're looking at, you need to question what it is you like about anime and manga in the first place. Because you certainly don't care about art. |
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sarusa
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I guess the real problem to me (and I don't have any problem with using LLMs to generate some generic art as you need it) is that we are already flooded with literally tens of thousands of crappy webtoons and this is just lowering the barrier to entry. There is not a problem of 'oh there aren't enough webtoons, we sure do need to make it easier to crank out some more'. Instead this takes you down the Spotify path where half the songs are boring generic 'AI' crap and it just makes economic sense to crank out as much garbage as you can just to get more hits. 'AI' never generates anything great, at best it generate something competent (at worst, 'kill it with fire!'). Maybe they never come back again, but you got that hit, and it's easier to just generate more garbage instead of actually taking the time to do something good. I might feel iffy about making that argument except we have actually seen this happen on Spotify already. |
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koinosuke
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"Easing production" in this case means "making the creator into a prompt jockey." It's an excuse to decrease costs and turn making a living as an artist into an even more difficult proposition. It spells nothing good for creators or the industry as a whole. |
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mad_yeti
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The technology is understood by many artists. That isn't the issue. Redrawing other people's work isn't acceptable for mass publishing by anyone, machine or human, and that's what's happening with it. When artists see machine-made remixed versions of their art, with little to distinguish it from their original work, marketed as a cheap/ free alternative to the real thing (sometimes explicitly with the artists name), it's gonna feel like theft to them. You can nitpick that word, sure, but it's not creatively transformative beyond mashing art together. It feels gross to have that done to your art so casually, and the way it's being used to undercut a lot of artists is destructive. I don't think machine learning is inherently bad technology, but it's doing more harm than good for creative professions right now. |
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Nionel
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In addition to that, comic creation traditionally requires more than one person. What's this going to do for people who handle inking, panelling, coloring, backgrounds, etc.? |
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a_Bear_in_Bearcave
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That's nonsense. Art isn't dependent on the process, and human element is present because someone is directing and choosing the results of AI. Photography was at beginning not saw as real art by many, because it also can be used without painting skill to create image of some view that is already provided, by nature or by others. Then again, we've been through those discussions before on these boards, people are sticking to their dogma due to political rift around AI. As for reducing costs and workload, and potentially loss of jobs due to it, that's normal and positive result of better tools and already happened a lot of time when computer tools were introduced and then developed more. A lot of what's now done in Photoshop would before require more work by multiple people. That said, I can agree with sarusa's worry about this platform just leading to even more low quality webtoons. We're already flooded with mediocrity on the net platforms for art. I've seen Narou isekai novels that I wouldn't know how to check if they were AI-generated anyway. |
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