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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:58 pm Reply with quote
I'm not surprised large swathes of the TeraLeak turned out to be bullshit. Seriously, come back to me when they're not translated by a bunch of weirdos with an axe to grind for one reason or another.

As for BamCo, YEESH. I was wondering when things would hit the Japanese games industry, but it looks like we're getting there. I'm sure it won't hit them as hard as America where things have been a bloodbath but I expect things to tighten a bit. At some point we have to be honest about the industry: we have hit a plateau and we need to stop chasing "bigger and better." The next few years need to be about stabilization. Like Shawn Layden, formerly of Playstation, was saying, we need a reset. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/former-playstation-exec-says-console-arms-race-has-plateaued/
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but I'm not sure what making your own Pokémon Z with blackjack and sex workers


Oddly specific reference. Not that I’m complaining given the stuff that winds up being sold on digital storefronts nowadays.
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oilers2007



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:31 pm Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
Oddly specific reference. Not that I’m complaining given the stuff that winds up being sold on digital storefronts nowadays.


I see "blackjack and hookers" used all the time. I don't think any Futurama or Simpsons reference would be "oddly specific" given how popular they are.

I imagine the source code could be very useful to romhackers and the community of fangames. I generally stick with Gen 2 and 3 romhacks since they're my favorite but if there's actual source code for the DS and 3DS games then that sounds like a huge gamechanger that could yield a lot of potential and make things easier. All you have to do is not be dumb and try to paywall it behind a Patreon or something which is when Nintendo goes after them
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Honesty



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That's zero-for-two on American fans going into a tizzy over machine-translated works taking stuff out of context, between Pokémon and the interview with Kazuhiko Torashima and Yuji Horii from a few weeks ago.

Actually, that interview was relatively faithfully translated. The important points anyway.
Likewise, the improved translation and context of the Pokémon folktales don't really change anything - they still contain interspecies breeding. Unfunny though the jokes about it are, they certainly still have a basis.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:10 pm Reply with quote
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but I'm not sure what making your own Pokémon Z with blackjack and sex workers


Oddly specific reference. Not that I’m complaining given the stuff that winds up being sold on digital storefronts nowadays.


Naw, it's not pointed at anyone specific, there were just a lot of modders and fam-devs itching at the opportunity to get their hands on the X/Y source code. Imagine lining up for the chance to complain about being sent a C&D.


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That's zero-for-two on American fans going into a tizzy over machine-translated works taking stuff out of context, between Pokémon and the interview with Kazuhiko Torashima and Yuji Horii from a few weeks ago.

Actually, that interview was relatively faithfully translated. The important points anyway.
Likewise, the improved translation and context of the Pokémon folktales don't really change anything - they still contain interspecies breeding. Unfunny though the jokes about it are, they certainly still have a basis.


Youre zero-for-two there; the interview was so "accuate" that the people who held the interview had to officially put up a stement asking folks to stop twisting words and stop taking the interview out of context. Likewise, the folk tales weren't as sordid as the machine TL made them out to be (and aren't even canon to begin with, given that they were removed).

This will not become a running argument in this thread, if you're here to argue over the Dragon Quest interview then you created a brand new account for nothing. That line of discussion is officially over.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:43 pm Reply with quote
I don't know how closely all the various parts of Bandai Namco Holdings interconnect, but a wide view of the company seems to indicate there's a lot of bad happening. I don't know if this is all based on a singular vision or just lots of bad decisions happening it once. It's not great either way.

Purely speculative, but is it possible that Bandai's going to be selling off a piece(s) of their gaming division to try and make some quick, easy money? It would almost certainly be quicker and easier than making a game in this climate.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:16 pm Reply with quote
Joe Mello wrote:
I don't know how closely all the various parts of Bandai Namco Holdings interconnect, but a wide view of the company seems to indicate there's a lot of bad happening. I don't know if this is all based on a singular vision or just lots of bad decisions happening it once. It's not great either way.

Purely speculative, but is it possible that Bandai's going to be selling off a piece(s) of their gaming division to try and make some quick, easy money? It would almost certainly be quicker and easier than making a game in this climate.


I saw someone joke about the possibility of Bandai Namco separating into just Bandai and Namco again; don't know how feasible that is these days, but it would be interesting to see if downsizing like that helped them each gain a better grasp on their own management.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:17 pm Reply with quote
FinalVentCard wrote:

Naw, it's not pointed at anyone specific, there were just a lot of modders and fam-devs itching at the opportunity to get their hands on the X/Y source code. Imagine lining up for the chance to complain about being sent a C&D.


oilers2007 wrote:
I see "blackjack and hookers" used all the time. I don't think any Futurama or Simpsons reference would be "oddly specific" given how popular they are.


I thought it was taking shots at all these games involving players. Playing Blackjack,Solitaire, Mahjong etc featuring anime characters. That are almost always on sale on PSN and the Xbox Store,

Mea culpa
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ZelosZoidberg



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This will not become a running argument in this thread, if you're here to argue over the Dragon Quest interview then you created a brand new account for nothing. That line of discussion is officially over.
THANK YOU! I was really hoping that would be a good news thread to talk about my love about DQ with a potential new fan, but that thread just became hot garbage and not the good kind.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:02 am Reply with quote
Am I missing some context for why there's a pic of FeMC alongside the article?
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Am I missing some context for why there's a pic of FeMC alongside the article?


My best guess is the paragraph next to it talking about fans being entitled or thinking the creators are witholding stuff from them. A lot of people think they're entitled to Atlus giving them a FeMC in Reload or a future Persona game so maybe it's being used as an example since there were comments how they entertained the idea of adding FeMC to Reload but decided it wasn't worth doing. So FeMC is one of those "the devs don't want you to see this!" thing.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:37 am Reply with quote
I dunno, I don't think the assumption that a AAA remake of an old game should be the definitive version of that game really qualifies as "entitlement." Nor the assumption that said remake should be just as "complete" as prior releases, rather than chopped into pieces and sold piecemeal.

There's certainly a lot of illegitimate and toxic criticism floating around the broader video games culture today, but the frustration and ire directed at the Persona 3 remake seems pretty justified to me.

And that's before getting into the whole host of ATLUS' anticonsumer shenanigans.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:44 am Reply with quote
Honesty wrote:

Actually, that interview was relatively faithfully translated. The important points anyway.
Likewise, the improved translation and context of the Pokémon folktales don't really change anything - they still contain interspecies breeding. Unfunny though the jokes about it are, they certainly still have a basis.


My opinion is trying to dismiss everything in the leaks as false is worse than the people indulging and just having fun making silly memes.

The Cutting Room Floor is a reputable website dealing with cut material from video games and they have been doing human translations of the mythology stories. If people are trying to say things like Game Freak never wrote a story about humans having sexual relations with Octillery and Lapras and it's all a mistranslation by machines then that is factually not true. That is 100% accurate to what the Japanese text says. That doesn't mean it's canon or made it into the game but it also doesn't mean it's not something they never wrote about. If people are going to claim something is false or inaccurate then it might help to be specific about what they're saying is inaccurate rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater and writing off everything. That doesn't really help foster any kind of intelligent discussion.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:51 am Reply with quote
light turner wrote:
q_3 wrote:
Am I missing some context for why there's a pic of FeMC alongside the article?


My best guess is the paragraph next to it talking about fans being entitled or thinking the creators are witholding stuff from them. A lot of people think they're entitled to Atlus giving them a FeMC in Reload or a future Persona game so maybe it's being used as an example since there were comments how they entertained the idea of adding FeMC to Reload but decided it wasn't worth doing. So FeMC is one of those "the devs don't want you to see this!" thing.


Fluwm wrote:
I dunno, I don't think the assumption that a AAA remake of an old game should be the definitive version of that game really qualifies as "entitlement." Nor the assumption that said remake should be just as "complete" as prior releases, rather than chopped into pieces and sold piecemeal.

There's certainly a lot of illegitimate and toxic criticism floating around the broader video games culture today, but the frustration and ire directed at the Persona 3 remake seems pretty justified to me.

And that's before getting into the whole host of ATLUS' anticonsumer shenanigans.


I definitely have some capital-O "Opinions" on fan entitlement, but that wasn't my intent with that bit. FeMC was there as an allusion to the leaker Midori, a.k.a. the identity assumed by MysticDistance. "Midori" used FeMC as their avatar, to the point where FeMC became quite associated with them. Folks were rather distraught when it was revealed that "Midori", who was passed off as a Japanese woman, was actually MysticDistance under a fake identity. (For the record, the stray reference to the "penguin" was alluding to Pyoro, who used a penguin avatar and confirmed to Jason Schreier that their internal source worked for Nintendo of Japan.)

This one's on me. I figured folks would've remembered Midori. Guess that was incorrect information. Laughing

Nigel Planter wrote:

My opinion is trying to dismiss everything in the leaks as false is worse than the people indulging and just having fun making silly memes.

The Cutting Room Floor is a reputable website dealing with cut material from video games and they have been doing human translations of the mythology stories. If people are trying to say things like Game Freak never wrote a story about humans having sexual relations with Octillery and Lapras and it's all a mistranslation by machines then that is factually not true. That is 100% accurate to what the Japanese text says. That doesn't mean it's canon or made it into the game but it also doesn't mean it's not something they never wrote about. If people are going to claim something is false or inaccurate then it might help to be specific about what they're saying is inaccurate rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater and writing off everything. That doesn't really help foster any kind of intelligent discussion.


Archaeology has a really simple practice: if they find contemporary garbage at a site (cigarette butts, soda cans, bottle caps), the site is abandoned because it's clearly been compromised and there's no way to confirm that anything found in the site is "in context"--in its original condition when it had been left there. Drastic? Sure, but if someone was traipsing around and left a cigarette butt in the site, who's to say they didn't move a few bones around or misplace (or even steal) remaining artifacts? Any kind of conclusion that can be taken from those artifacts is now suspect.

Time spent arguing whether leaked information (that came with a side of stolen employee data) is accurate and authentic can be better spent doing more important things, like actually playing and enjoying video games. I've heard enough about scrapped stories about Typhlosion, especially if they were scrapped ages ago. Someone wrote a snipped attempt at lore involving Pokémon and humans is the definition of trivial, since it's not canon either way--and acting scandalized over the whole deal is rather silly. Lest we forget Disney's actual vault of porn drawn by people who work at the studio. And remember: those machine translations attributed the stories to an entirely-fictional person in the first place. Real reliable, that.
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Despite the weird self-righteous indignation people get about spoilers in fiction and games (yes, dear, we won't spoil for you that Elder Scrolls 6 will be an open-world game), people also tend to foam at the mouth for upcoming details about stuff
Probably because they're 2 separate groups.
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