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Unjustly Ignored — Why Star Blazers 2199 is More Than Worth Your Time


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John Thacker



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:27 am Reply with quote
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Some are stereotypical snivelling sycophants, the worst kind of cartoon cliche the show could have done without


Ridiculous claim, considering that in real life there are plenty of sycophants in these situations. It's inappropriate to make them all sycophants, and the show doesn't, but it would be unrealistic to have no sycophants.

For American audiences, there's an interesting reference to the [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)]442nd Infantry[/url], the famous unit of Nisei Japanese American soldiers during World War II. Second class alien citizens of Gamilas, naturally.
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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:52 am Reply with quote
While I haven't seen the 2199 reboot, I did enjoy the classic manga version of Yamato that Seven Seas released, but it is very easy to see why 2199 has had trouble finding an audience with English-speaking fandom. In fact, the article itself addresses it very early on:

It's always treated as a special event in Japan, which isolates its reach with the rest of the world.

The theatrical airings it always gets in Japan essentially kill any chance Yamato 2199 & its sequels can have at ever finding that immediate fandom, which is primarily curated today via simulcasts. Combine that with the fact that it took five years for 2199 itself to even receive an easily-accessible official English release to start with, and the franchise as a whole has essentially been dead in the water since the beginning for English-speaking fandom. This also doesn't take into consideration smaller factors, like the insistence on using the "Star Blazers" name (despite it not having any real cachet in literal decades), its generally hard sci-fi aesthetic (which, despite some outliers, has definitely fallen in popularity), etc.

I do have 2199 via FUNimation's box sets, though, so one day I'll definitely join in on that bandwagon, because I do know that it's an excellent series, but I'm not surprised at all at why it's been unable to find even a decently-sized English-speaking fandom. It's essentially too iconic in Japan to be treated as anything other than a special event over there, even though treating it like any other anime would have ironically made it a bigger deal everywhere else.
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BenFotomi



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:13 am Reply with quote
Hello Kevin,

It might only be a geograhical streaming issue, but both seasons of Star Blazers are available to stream in english for free on Funanimation:
https://www.funimation.com/shows/star-blazers/

I really enjoyed someone finally posted about this great remake show! I'm old enough to have seen on TV the original version (I was a young kid, didn't understand anything Very Happy ), plus other series like Harlock and Grandizer (Was very popular with us, French Canadians). Later on, I was lucky enough to be able to watch Macross (aka Robotech) as a teenager, which had a huge impact on me! It was the first time I watched a "cartoon" that was not episodic and was hooked instanly.

Getting back on Super Battleship Yamato, when I saw the original announcement on ANN, I was super happy, but caustiously hyped. I wonder how they could bring this old space opera story to a new and broader audience. Sadly, the japanese anime business is still very late in the streaming and world wide distribution, so I had to dig a lot to be able to get my hands on it, but it was SO worth it. I showned the show to many of my friends whom love scifi stories and they all enjoyed it. The movie quality level of animation is amazing, the story is well adapted to a 2010+ audience. Not perfect, but a better watch than a lot of scifi TV shows I've seen.

I just wished I could have seen it in theater, like the japanese audience. I'm very happy that japanese animation is getting a bigger audience now, I can watch the most popular movies in theater (sometimes just 1 or a few showing). Scifi is still a niche audience, so I'm keeping my hopes in check. Rolling Eyes
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MFrontier



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:24 am Reply with quote
Lord Geo wrote:
While I haven't seen the 2199 reboot, I did enjoy the classic manga version of Yamato that Seven Seas released, but it is very easy to see why 2199 has had trouble finding an audience with English-speaking fandom. In fact, the article itself addresses it very early on:

It's always treated as a special event in Japan, which isolates its reach with the rest of the world.

The theatrical airings it always gets in Japan essentially kill any chance Yamato 2199 & its sequels can have at ever finding that immediate fandom, which is primarily curated today via simulcasts. Combine that with the fact that it took five years for 2199 itself to even receive an easily-accessible official English release to start with, and the franchise as a whole has essentially been dead in the water since the beginning for English-speaking fandom. This also doesn't take into consideration smaller factors, like the insistence on using the "Star Blazers" name (despite it not having any real cachet in literal decades), its generally hard sci-fi aesthetic (which, despite some outliers, has definitely fallen in popularity), etc.

I do have 2199 via FUNimation's box sets, though, so one day I'll definitely join in on that bandwagon, because I do know that it's an excellent series, but I'm not surprised at all at why it's been unable to find even a decently-sized English-speaking fandom. It's essentially too iconic in Japan to be treated as anything other than a special event over there, even though treating it like any other anime would have ironically made it a bigger deal everywhere else.

I'm still waiting for them to (I guess?) release the current movies as episodes so Funimation can (I assume) start subbing and releasing them.
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Abraham Omosun



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detailed enough to swallow the entire action animation budget of most other shows.
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2199's incredible budget shines


I feel there are ways to praise a show's artistry without using a metric that is not known for 90% of anime (which you did for the rest of the article making its use more confusing). More on topic, this is one of those shows that is constantly in my "I will watch it when I have time pile" so it will take sometime before I get it. Question: is the series dubbed and how good is it (if the answer is yes?)
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Anime World Order



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:39 am Reply with quote
Lord Geo wrote:
The theatrical airings it always gets in Japan essentially kill any chance Yamato 2199 & its sequels can have at ever finding that immediate fandom, which is primarily curated today via simulcasts. Combine that with the fact that it took five years for 2199 itself to even receive an easily-accessible official English release to start with, and the franchise as a whole has essentially been dead in the water since the beginning for English-speaking fandom.


This is exactly it, and much of this also applies to Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These. We don't get to experience Yamato concurrently with Japan the way that we now do for Gundam. The Yamato business model is "sell movie tickets, then sell Japanese-priced Blu-Rays to audiences right as they exit the theater," which means they don't want an inexpensive streaming option or lower-priced US Blu-Rays (which are Region A, same as Japan) quickly available. That's why we're lucky if we get them within a year; heck, the Odyssey of the Celestial Ark movie that bridges the first 2199 series with the second 2202 series never came out here at all, and it was released in 2014.

The quality of the show--and it IS high quality--doesn't even enter into it.
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The_Daytona_500



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:42 am Reply with quote
There's probably a lot of people that won't watch it until some streaming service puts out the tv broadcast version that has the awful Isao Sasaki and JAM Poo songs replaced with masterpieces like UVERworld's Fight For Liberty and Yasuda Rei's Best Of My Love. I myself am one of said people.
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Doctorkev



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:45 am Reply with quote
John Thacker wrote:
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Some are stereotypical snivelling sycophants, the worst kind of cartoon cliche the show could have done without


Ridiculous claim, considering that in real life there are plenty of sycophants in these situations. It's inappropriate to make them all sycophants, and the show doesn't, but it would be unrealistic to have no sycophants.


It's not so much the presence of the sycophants themselves that's the problem, it's that they are stereotypical and cartoonishly snivelling. They seemed like characters more suited to a show for much younger viewers and made it more difficult to take the antagonists seriously.
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Doctorkev



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:47 am Reply with quote
BenFotomi wrote:
Hello Kevin,

It might only be a geograhical streaming issue, but both seasons of Star Blazers are available to stream in english for free on Funanimation:
https://www.funimation.com/shows/star-blazers/

I really enjoyed someone finally posted about this great remake show!


Thanks for pointing that out! I did not realise it was free to stream, as I'm a Funimation subscriber and it doesn't specify what's free and what isn't when you subscribe. So there's really no excuse for folks not to watch it!
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blooperboy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:52 am Reply with quote
Upon moving in with new people there has been a slow exchanging of 'okay you HAVE to watch this' and Star Blazers is what was forced upon me. I loved it.

I had zero knowledge of the franchise before starting it, and enjoyed it. I also really liked all the call-backs that were explained to me, to the point that I've considered going back and watching the original series so I can REwatch this version and enjoy it on a deeper level.
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Doctorkev



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:53 am Reply with quote
Abraham Omosun wrote:
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detailed enough to swallow the entire action animation budget of most other shows.
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2199's incredible budget shines


I feel there are ways to praise a show's artistry without using a metric that is not known for 90% of anime (which you did for the rest of the article making its use more confusing). More on topic, this is one of those shows that is constantly in my "I will watch it when I have time pile" so it will take sometime before I get it. Question: is the series dubbed and how good is it (if the answer is yes?)


With Space Battleship Yamato, it's almost like comparing a Disney theatrical animation release with your average Adult Swim animation. Yes, both may have other artistic merits, but the supremely obvious bells and whistles purchased by Massive Volumes Of Cash really are blatant. You just don't see action sequences like Yamato's in other anime without them splurging an enormous amount of cash.

Also, yes both Star Blazers 2199 and 2202 are fully dubbed in English, and it is a fantastic dub. I did not watch either of these seasons subtitled as my son can't read fast enough to keep up.

If only Funimation would also dub Star Blazers 2199 The Movie - Odyssey Of The Celestial Ark...
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timeldred



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:59 am Reply with quote
The show certainly wasn't ignored over at my website, CosmoDNA. I covered the entire release of Yamato 2199 in real time, hoping to give American fans a comparable experience with Japanese fans. The site is ourstarblazers.com and it goes all the way back to 2002 (marking 20 years this summer).

Please join the party over there. I update on the 15th of every month and there's already well over a thousand pages of content.
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DerekL1963
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:16 pm Reply with quote
Back in 2018, Funi and Crunchy did a joint release - an episode a week. Myself and another blogger took on the massive task of weekly episode-by-episode coverage.

Sadly, despite massive efforts on both out parts, it went largely unnoticed.

Feel free to check it out:

https://apprenticemages.com/tag/star-blazers-2199/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:20 pm Reply with quote
I watched 1978 movie when I was a kid, but I the TV series was never released, so it's ignored at this side of the world.
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Doctorkev



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:40 pm Reply with quote
timeldred wrote:
The show certainly wasn't ignored over at my website, CosmoDNA. I covered the entire release of Yamato 2199 in real time, hoping to give American fans a comparable experience with Japanese fans. The site is ourstarblazers.com and it goes all the way back to 2002 (marking 20 years this summer).

Please join the party over there. I update on the 15th of every month and there's already well over a thousand pages of content.


Hi Tim!

I found your website while looking for background information about the show, and found it absolutely invaluable. It's a fantastic website full of so much information, thanks for maintaining it so well! I'll be looking at it regularly from now on.
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