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Treecko Tempo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:34 pm Reply with quote
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Also, Shantae and the Seven Sirens Director's Cut will be released on Switch and Xbox One, with a Switch physical edition coming.
This is actually Shantae: Risky's Revenge - Director's Cut. LRG released Shantae and the Seven Sirens last month.
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AiddonValentine



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-EVO and Smash: HOOOOOOOOOOOO-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY, this has been a doozy. When I saw things first hitting it was a goddamned cartoon. When there is basically a [expletive] spread sheet on Reddit details the culprits, victims, and accounts, shit has officially gone off the deep end. I mean, fudge, we had halfassed backtracking like with Zero taking THREE TRIES to just up to his actions or Sky apparently running some Epstein scam, this is shit sociopaths do!

This has been a long time coming. The fighting game community, while it has made strides to clean up its image, has a long history of problems whether it's racism, sexism, homophobia, sexual predation and it never really grappled with that until relatively recently. It is [expletive] ridiculous this was allowed to go on for so long. And it's mostly because of not only the victims coming forward, but companies showing their power by withdrawing basically the entire EVO lineup. Nintendo has gone as far as to delete interviews with Smash players involved in the scandals.

So, we're at a turning point. And things need to change, even if it involves burning down everything and starting from scratch. The FGC has to evolve. The fratboy days are done, time to grow up.

-Shantae: Cool

-Live A Live: Nice to see Square remembering its other titles. Now if only they could get around to Front Mission, Parasite Eve, and Tactics Ogre again
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FinalVentCard
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:01 pm Reply with quote
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Our beloved gaming communities have failed on a catastrophic level to protect the vulnerable, and what's happening now is long overdue.


See, back in 2014 a lot of folks bellyached when OP-ED columns went around saying "gamers are dead", but this is the crap they were talking about.

I'm with Heidi. I'd gladly see the entire gaming landscape as it is burnt to the ground if it meant building up a newer one where people can be safe. No amount of nostalgia is worth the sheer number of people who have been hurt by those in power in the gaming community. It's not worth it.

A few weeks back, one of the devs behind Skullgirls was outed as having been extremely inappropriate towards female fans. And it turned out this was an ongoing problem. Nevermind the fact that this means one of my favorite games has a horrible cloud over it, how many people came and went from Lab Zero because of that one missing staircase making them uncomfortable? How many people could have left amazing touches on stuff like Indivisible that didn't because they didn't want to have to work around someone who kept making racist jokes?

No amount of shiny toys is worth this crap. It really isn't.

Anyway.

Shantae's coming back. I can only imagine how thrilled Matt Bozon is. It's taken 18 years (Shantae's old enough to vote now!), but he's seen Shantae go from a secret handshake between folks who caught a game that was unfairly hidden, to one of the biggest and most-beloved indie-darlings in the industry. The original Shantae has issues ("Go east!"), but it was way ahead of its time. It's great we don't have to pay triple digits for a new copy. I might nab one myself.

Also, looking forward to that Fate/Cooking game. It looks adorable.
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Nate148



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:44 pm Reply with quote
Now all we need is toki toki GBC and that would be both of the indy capcom games
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Covnam



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:05 pm Reply with quote
Live A Live is a nice surprised, didn't see that news. Hopefully it gets a nice western release and is not a mobile phone port (though knowing SE, that's likely the case unfortunately).

I picked up a Neo Geo Mini when it dropped to $30, so as long as the Sega arcade mini is of a similar size, it should be a great pickup if/when it drops to a similar price. It's fun for a quick play session or two Smile Too bad it doesn't seem to use USB-C though like the NGM :/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:26 pm Reply with quote
Carnavores prey on herds of herbivores. It's been like that for some 500 million years now. Every infestation will return when opportunity allows. All those now outed paedo pervs will just change their names and spots and return to prey on the vulnerable again if they're not caught and prosecuted by the law. Good luck with that.
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Zero-chan
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:50 pm Reply with quote
Treecko Tempo wrote:
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Also, Shantae and the Seven Sirens Director's Cut will be released on Switch and Xbox One, with a Switch physical edition coming.
This is actually Shantae: Risky's Revenge - Director's Cut. LRG released Shantae and the Seven Sirens last month.


Fixed. Thanks for the heads-up! Sometimes it's hard to keep those Shantae subtitles straight.
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DavetheUsher



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:59 pm Reply with quote
AiddonValentine wrote:
So, we're at a turning point. And things need to change, even if it involves burning down everything and starting from scratch. The FGC has to evolve. The fratboy days are done, time to grow up.


Mm, those days have been gone for quite awhile now. A lot of gaming communities have stamped out the 'fratboy' mindset long ago for a more sanitized, inclusive community. This isn't the 2000s anymore. The FGC that all this happened under were the ones who routinely denounced games like Dead or Alive for it's portrayal of women, who banned multiple OG people from participating in tournaments for political views or trash talking behavior. This happened under the watch of the modern, inclusive community, not the days of SCSA where trash talking your opponents considered fun and acceptable. Remember, Mr. Cuellar wasn't a fratboy, he was a forward thinker who valued inclusion and progressive values and always stood up for marginalized people.

If the next big outing is in the speedrunning community, it won't be because of all the OG problematic people who got banned from AGDQ around 2014, but the more accommodating modern iteration of the event that heavily moderates and polices the subscriber-only Twitch chat every year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:20 pm Reply with quote
DavetheUsher wrote:
AiddonValentine wrote:
So, we're at a turning point. And things need to change, even if it involves burning down everything and starting from scratch. The FGC has to evolve. The fratboy days are done, time to grow up.


Mm, those days have been gone for quite awhile now. A lot of gaming communities have stamped out the 'fratboy' mindset long ago for a more sanitized, inclusive community. This isn't the 2000s anymore. The FGC that all this happened under were the ones who routinely denounced games like Dead or Alive for it's portrayal of women, who banned multiple OG people from participating in tournaments for political views or trash talking behavior. This happened under the watch of the modern, inclusive community, not the days of SCSA where trash talking your opponents considered fun and acceptable. Remember, Mr. Cuellar wasn't a fratboy, he was a forward thinker who valued inclusion and progressive values and always stood up for marginalized people.

If the next big outing is in the speedrunning community, it won't be because of all the OG problematic people who got banned from AGDQ around 2014, but the more accommodating modern iteration of the event that heavily moderates and polices the subscriber-only Twitch chat every year.

Trying to pretend those figures aren’t a holdover from those days is incredibly disingenuous. These issues didn’t suddenly crop up because people care more now, they’re more of the core problems that were allowed to stick around because of the amount of clout they garnered during those times. There will always be those that try to take advantage of good faith, and it’s good to have a community that is willing to toss them out and support victims when thing s becomes known. So miss me with that “actually the well intentioned people are to blame” when they’re the ones actually doing the work.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:32 pm Reply with quote
ATastySub wrote:

Trying to pretend those figures aren’t a holdover from those days is incredibly disingenuous. These issues didn’t suddenly crop up because people care more now, they’re more of the core problems that were allowed to stick around because of the amount of clout they garnered during those times. There will always be those that try to take advantage of good faith, and it’s good to have a community that is willing to toss them out and support victims when thing s becomes known. So miss me with that “actually the well intentioned people are to blame” when they’re the ones actually doing the work.


Exactly; the predators in these situations aren't new, Cuellar is a co-founder of EVO, he's been around for over twenty years organizing this stuff! Zero is a longtime Smash veteran. At best people might be new, but they inherited a mindset due to a toxic environment. The truth is the FGC never really tried to address the toxicity, it just hoped to move on and think people would forget about it.

No, you can't move on without addressing problem inherent to the community. The fact that these people are being deplatformed and held accountable is good, it means problems are being addressed and hopefully it can be made clear that predators have no place there anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:51 pm Reply with quote
The problem, as it stands, is people in entrenched positions are using said positions to do awful things because there were no systems in place to regulate their influence. This is still the Wild West days of ESports, without a central governing body, players unions, etc. all. And the wolves were in the hen house, occasionally dropping lines about “core values” and other nonsense to hide their own horrible crimes.

Put simply, the community was allowed to self regulate and betrayed the trust of all involved to benefit terrible people.

I don’t know how the community moves forward from here, but seeing that EVO is probably dead, and it may be years before they get something as big as the ESPN deal EVO got, everyone is going to have a lot of time to think about it. People come first after all.
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Silver Kirin



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:48 pm Reply with quote
- EVO/Smash: I'm not into the Smash competitive scene, although I watched some videos about the FGC and despite hearing about some incidents, mainly about some toxic players, I never imagined that there were so many predators in the community. There aren't many tournaments in my country so I'm not very familiarized in the inner workings but it seems that there was a lack of guidance and many minors left unsupervised, I also heard that some tournament parties served alcohol despite minors being present. A lot of changes will have to be made and the victims need all of the support.
- SEGA Astro City: I used to go to an arcade near my home an there was a row with some Astro City cabinets, but most of them had Neo Geo games like Metal Slug 3 and Puzzle Bobble. All in all, this micro console looks really cool, SEGA used to be one of the best arcade game developers, though I don't know if games that used different input methods like Daytona USA and Virtua Cop will be included, because those are very iconic.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:29 pm Reply with quote
Beatdigga wrote:
The problem, as it stands, is people in entrenched positions are using said positions to do awful things because there were no systems in place to regulate their influence. This is still the Wild West days of ESports, without a central governing body, players unions, etc. all. And the wolves were in the hen house, occasionally dropping lines about “core values” and other nonsense to hide their own horrible crimes.

Put simply, the community was allowed to self regulate and betrayed the trust of all involved to benefit terrible people.

I don’t know how the community moves forward from here, but seeing that EVO is probably dead, and it may be years before they get something as big as the ESPN deal EVO got, everyone is going to have a lot of time to think about it. People come first after all.


EVO will likely survive due to it being more than just a fighting game tournament, but more similar to PAX where it's basically an industry event. It'll likely have to be way more regulated and structured in the coming years.

The Smash community is where things get tricky due to how it was largely grassroots and basically unsponsored which was why Nintendo basically didn't interact with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:31 pm Reply with quote
There is going to have to be a lot of changes to EVO before they can come back. They will need a third party to review their company practices and policies, as well as holding their employees up to background checks and independent investigations.

I don't know if that will be enough. There needs to be more rules on tournament player conduct as well. Less toxicity would be appreciated, and I would like to see the end of taunt/trash talking. If things don't get under control both on the corporate and user levels EVO will not survive.

On the other subject, a mini astro city cab? Yeah. The joystick is clicky? Hell yes, preorder now. Your move SNK.
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That first paragraph is so spot on, I just say fudge EVO, at this point, if they go out of business due to their reputation going to zeroes in the blink of an eye, it will be for the greater good, seeing how it took that long to boot Cuellar (and in that document he linked, he, like all other pricks like him, are just using his backstory as yet another "BAAAAAWWWWWWW I HAVE A TWAGIC BACKSTORY HERE TO JUSTIFY MY ACTIONS, PWEASE 4GIVE ME AND DON'T DESTROY MY CAREER!! Crying or Very sad" thing they always do, they always have a ton of the same excuses), if they're only caring more for their own reputation and not the safety of users, then they shouldn't be in business putting more people in danger.
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