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Lord Geo
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Admittedly don't read This Week in Anime much, as the format just doesn't really work for me, but glad I gave it a try here, because this was a fun one to read. Happy to see both writers had a lot of fun with the early episodes.
That's because Masami Kurumada didn't know what the series would be like at the start. He admitted in the Author's Note in the first volume of the manga that he made Saint Seiya precisely to please mainstream audiences, since they shunned his previous series, Otoko Zaka, which was meant to be his magnum opus. Yeah, Saint Seiya was essentially Kurumada getting vengeance on Japanese Shonen Jump readers by making something they had no choice but to love. That's brilliant. Anyway, that's why the series starts with a tournament arc, because that's a popular story arc with readers. Kurumada also didn't quite have his "five-man band", so to speak, ready from the very start, hence why Unicorn Jabu is initially set up as Seiya's rival, and was even given the character design of Jun Kenzaki from Ring ni Kakero, Kurumada's first big hit, as he was the rival to Ryuji Takane, who Seiya is modeled after. Once he introduced the Bronze Saints, though, Kurumada simply prioritized the ones that readers instantly liked the most, so Jabu winds up being forgotten, in the long run (though at least given one or two quick moments, here & there).
This is only the start. As the series goes on, it becomes obvious, though never directly stated, that Shun is easily the strongest of the main characters, having control over his Cosmo in a way that none of the others have, even Seiya. This ties into the Hades Chapter later on, obviously, but I won't go into that territory, since that's well beyond what this article is about. Overall, though, Kurumada did establish that the strongest type of man isn't simply the one with the biggest muscles, but rather is the one that has the kindest heart, which exemplifies Shun perfectly. |
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FinalVentCard
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spoiler[Okay, so being Latino and Saint Seiya being what it is I wanted to do this post entirely in Spanish but I don't wanna piss the mods off so just pretend I'm doing this in Spanish yeah? Cool.]
I'm thrilled that Netflix included the classic Mexican dub for Saint Seiya. It's aged incredibly well, and really nails the camp in the best ways. The late, great Jesus Barrero was the voice of Seiya for as long as there was a Seiya to voice, and he nails Seiya's young, enthusiastic heart so well. Also, if you think Pegasus Fantasy sounds great in Japanese, it's legendary in Spanish. It's so beloved, you've got people singing it at The Voice. Saint Seiya on Netflix is definitely a highlight of the year for me. |
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vanishingblood
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Is the misspelling of "psychedelic" intentional here? I'll also take the time to say I really don't like this "text message" format thing. It is funny sometimes but I come her for news and journalism, not comedy sketches.
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FireChick
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It's great that the original show is getting the love it deserves after so many years of either being mangled to bits (DiC) or having its dub not completed due to rights issues (ADV), and the Netflix dub is definitely welcome. But how come only the first 15 episodes are dubbed in English, yet the 41 episodes that are up aren't? Has Netflix said anything about this? I'm really confused by this decision. Here's hoping it'll be rectified later on.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Typo fixed. If you don't come here for humor, then you probably won't enjoy this editorial column. This is the format for it since it launched. The News and Interest section is probably what you're looking for. |
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maximilianjenus
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No mention of naruto run ? I guess it has not appeare in those chapters yet, but IIRC saint seiya is the series that created that running style.
so vengeful, it reminds me of prison school. |
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1dbad
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16-41 are available English dubbed now. Netflix updated with them a week or so ago. |
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LightningCount
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Ronin Warriors/Samurai Troopers (by the future director of Gundam Wing) seemed to be Sunrise's reaction to Saint Seiya, and it did pretty well in the U.S., so it's surprising that Saint Seiya never got a better shake. As a fan of Ronin Warriors/Samurai Troopers, I've always been intrigued by Saint Seiya, but I only saw a little bit of the "And I Ran" dub version that aired on TV circa 2004-ish, IIRC. (I don't really know how edited that dub was, but I imagine it was pretty heavily edited.) I don't even know if all the Saint Seiya series and OVAs and movies are connected, or are reboots.
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Eigengrau
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TBH though, Saint Seiya's aesthetic was not really typical of the eighties, but a throwback to the seventies. When the series premiered here in '87, I remember thinking even back then that it had a very retro look to it. That's because many of the people working on it were also responsible for many of the Go Nagai shows almost 15 years earlier.
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Custom Apex
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I just saw a few episodes today and they were pretty good. I don't know why this article has the word "Psychadelic" in it.
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Zeino
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Saint Seiya is a good series for it's time but man, can it get repetitive in a way that the likes of Dragon Ball and JoJo never did. Prepare for alot of Saori/Athena getting kidnapped and needing to be rescued over and over again in up coming arcs.
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Márcio Voltz Jardim
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my favorite show ever
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SAG4
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The tournament is designed to make the Sanctuary's evil come to light. The goal of the victors would be to defeat the Sanctuary ruled by its master. But this detail was left out of the anime.
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Shay Guy
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The definitive endorsement of Saint Seiya, in my book, remains editor Shaenon Garrity's 2006 blog post gushing about the manga, released here in the States as Knights of the Zodiac:
It sounds like that sincerity and enthusiasm is a lot of why the classic show worked better for at least Micchy than the Netflix version, along with the stronger aesthetics and possibly improved pacing.
The whole saga of his career up to then is honestly fascinating to me. According to Comic Vine, this was the table of contents for Jump #414, released on January 10, 1977, premiering Kurumada's Ring ni Kakero:
And here's the ToC for #890, from January 1, 1986, sharing only Kochikame in common with the 1977 list:
Jump changed a ton in those nine years. First Kurumada himself gets the ball rolling by infusing some Astro Kyudan into his Ashita no Joe homage, pushing Jump's circulation above 3 million and revolutionizing battle manga in the process. Then other manga push the envelope even further -- Kinnikuman, Captain Tsubasa, and then Fist of the North Star abandoning the sports framework altogether. Hell, even the author of Jump's most popular gag manga ever had gone with a fantastical martial-arts adventure story for his next series, instead of sticking to his guns. And the thing that really impresses me? After Kurumada spent so long in the headspace of Otoko Ippiki Gaki Daisho -- a relatively grounded late-'60s, early-'70s manga -- while he was planning and finally writing Otoko Zaka, which flopped because it was such a throwback and Jump had advanced beyond even the innovations of Ring ni Kakero... he jumped right ahead to the cutting edge, going further than ever along the trail he'd blazed and easily keeping up with the new leaders of the pack. (Granted, Yudetamago and Buronson and Toriyama had been his colleagues since the RnK days, but still, they'd been keeping current and he hadn't.) He got the tastes of 1986 readers, different as they were to what he was used to catering to. That really is a remarkable feat -- look at how much Kishimoto's been struggling to appeal to 2019 readers with Samurai 8, despite having made the second-most-popular manga of the 2000s. And yet Kurumada bounced back from the biggest disappointment of his career by striking a perfect chord with the readers and anime-watchers of the late 1980s, to the point that for a while Saint Seiya was more popular than Dragon Ball. For that matter, if it weren't for Saint Seiya, we might never have had Dragon Ball Z:
(I suspect it was a major influence on Sailor Moon, too, but I don't know any solid sources for that.) Luckily, the saga has had a happy ending -- in 2014, Kurumada finally got to return to his true love Otoko Zaka, serializing it online. He's since added to the original three-volume run with an extra four. Hopefully, he'll one day be able to properly conclude the story he's always wanted to tell.
True, but I don't think the beginning of the manga foreshadows that at all, so it reads strongly like that was a reason made up after the fact. Most likely, it just had a tournament because Kurumada knew that's what the Kinnikuman crowd liked, and he came up with a way to reconcile it with the earlier dialogue later. |
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Mewzard
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It is worth noting that this happens far less often in the manga than it did in the anime (I mean, still happened a bit more than I'd like in the manga, but half of the times it happened, it was usually because Athena had some sort of goal involved, be it spoiler[buying time for the Earth to stop Poseidon's flood so the Saints could resolve events before more deaths occurred, and later letting Hades take her to the depths of Elyseum at the end so his guard would be so lowered, he would return to his true divine body, so Athena could kill him permanently.]). It's a fantastic ride to be sure. I prefer the manga personally because of the story, the designs, the visuals on some of the attacks, and the mythological imagery. That said, the things the anime created, the music and the voice acting? Both are top tier, some of the finest Toei's ever had. And while I don't like a lot of the anime's designs, it could hit some amazing animation at times.
I mean, probably, but the fact that Sanctuary's rules on personal battles was established before we learned about the tournament, and Hyoga being sent by Sanctuary to deal with the traitors as an assassin...only to realize there had to be some bigger reason for all this seems like he was at least playing with some ideas. |
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