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RezSav
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:31 am
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"However when Suzuki told Miyazaki this, Miyazaki became angry and told Suzuki, 'I'll do it.'" And BAM! That's how he got him out of retirement.
Seriously, though, I would object to Ghibli being renamed "Scirocco." Not because it sounds "weak", and I don't think it does, I just don't like it.
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Colonel Wolfe
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:38 am
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This is a slap in the face. Studio Ghibli is a recognizable name when it comes to the anime industry. To change the name of the studio would be an insult. Studio Ghibli is an established and very well known name where anime fans are concerned and many fans have come to associate Miyazaki-san with this studio. This would be like changing the name of the Walt Disney company to American Animation Studios, there's just no brand name recognition.
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Chrno2
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:39 am
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RezSav wrote: | "However when Suzuki told Miyazaki this, Miyazaki became angry and told Suzuki, 'I'll do it.'" And BAM! That's how he got him out of retirement.
Seriously, though, I would object to Ghibli being renamed "Scirocco." Not because it sounds "weak", I just don't like it. |
Hahahahahahaha!!! Hoo boy. I guess 'Studio Ghibli' wont be able to do much changes with 'Miyazaki' around. Studio Scirocco? That just doesn't cut it. Considering years ago they used to be called 'Studio Totoro'. Nah, stay with 'Ghibli'. It just holds that household feel.
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Malintex Terek
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:46 am
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Colonel Wolfe wrote: |
This is a slap in the face. Studio Ghibli is a recognizable name when it comes to [japanese cartoons]. To change the name of the studio would be an insult. Studio Ghibli is an established and very well known name where [cartoon fans] are concerned and many fans have come to associate Miyazaki-san with this studio. This would be like changing the name of the Walt Disney company to American Animation Studios, there's just no brand name recognition.
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I fixed your post. "Anime" still doesn't officially exist in America; they're still Japanese cartoons as far as the vast majority of the media-eating populace is concerned.
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The Naked Beast
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:07 pm
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When the word Scirocco comes to mind, I think of Paptimus Scirocco, one of the villians in Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam. Could Miyazaki be a Gundam fan?
Renaming Studio Ghibli to Studio Scirocco just does not sound right. It just does not have that ring to it like the word Ghibli does. It is really hard to describe it in words.
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Colonel Wolfe
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:31 pm
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Malintex Terek, what is your problem. Japanese anime released in the United States is still anime. To insult the anime genre as basic Japanese cartoons is an insult to anime fans everywhere. Oh, and don't insult my intelligence by trying to 'fix' my posted message.
On this note, everyone here would agree with me that the Japanese do not, nor have they ever made, cartoons. Cartoons is a generic description used to explain animation made outside of Japan.
From Wikipedia:
Quote: | Anime (アニメ, Anime?) is an abbreviation of the Japanese word アニメーション (animēshon), which is based on the English word "animation." Outside Japan, the term most popularly refers to the medium of animation originating in Japan, with distinctive character and background aesthetics that visually set it apart from other forms of animation (e.g. Walt Disney films, Warner Bros. short cartoons). Within Japan, the term anime is used to refer to all forms of animation from around the world. While some anime is entirely hand-drawn, computer assisted animation techniques are, in recent years, quite common. Storylines are typically fictional; examples of anime representing most major genres of fiction exist. Anime is broadcast on television, distributed on media such as DVD and VHS, or included in computer and video games. Anime is often influenced by Japanese comics known as manga. Some anime storylines have been adapted into live action films and television series. |
Wikipedia on Cartoons:
Quote: | Because of the stylistic similarities between comic strips and early animated movies, "cartoon" came to refer to animation, and this is the sense in which "cartoon" is most commonly used today. These are usually shown on television or in cinemas and are created by showing illustrated images in rapid succession to give the impression of movement. (In this meaning, the word cartoon is sometimes shortened to " toon " and was popularized by the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit). Although the term can be applied to any animated presentation, it is most often used in reference to programs for children, featuring anthropomorphized animals, superheroes, the adventures of child protagonists, and other related genres. Animated material which does not fit the traditional conventions of mainstream Western animation, such as Japanese anime are often confused with the definition of cartoons. Anime comprises an entirely different genre in and of itself, giving it a distinguishable quality setting it apart from other cartoons.
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Tempest
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:30 pm
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Colonel Wolfe wrote: | On this note, everyone here would agree with me that the Japanese do not, nor have they ever made, cartoons. Cartoons is a generic description used to explain animation made outside of Japan. |
I disagree. Cartoons is an english word more or less synonymous with "animation" but carrying a slight connotation towards silly and childish animation. Cartoon carries no geographic connotation at all, it is not specific to, nor does it exclude animation from any geographic area.
Japanese people use the word "anime" much the same way we use the word "cartoon." In Japan, anime is animation from all over the world, including Japan, and in the English speaking world, "cartoons" are animation from all over the world, including the english speaking world, and Japan.
Regardless of whether or not it is anime, Hamtaro will always be a cartoon. If you want to argue that non-kodomo anime are not cartoons, it would only be reasonable to also say that Family Guy and Futurama are not cartoons.
Wikipedia's (very subjective) definition would include Hamtaro as a cartoon becuase it fits the traditional definition of Cartoon.
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Tempest
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:32 pm
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Colonel Wolfe wrote: | This is a slap in the face. |
Who's getting slapped, and who's doing the slapping ? I don't see how it is an insult when Miyazaki himself wants to change his own studio's name...
I'm glad he didn't, but only because I've grown attached to the name "Ghibli." The sentimental attachment and brand value of "Ghibli" is the only reason its any better that Scirocco.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:42 pm
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With the studio renaming, will they be building mobile suits out by Jupiter?
Sunrise/Bandai may object.
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Fiction Alchemist
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:11 pm
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Deltakiral
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:17 pm
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I'm also against the name change there is something about saying it's a Studio Ghibli film that just sounds right.....Scirocco sounds like some sort joke.
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Colonel Wolfe
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:28 pm
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Tempest, it wasn't general description that I was calling an insult. I was referring to Malintex Terek broad statement that Japanese anime isn't anime in the United States.
Malintex Terek stated that Japanese anime, which is released into the United States as licensed to companies such as ADV Films, Geneon, Bandai and so forth isn't anime because anime only exists in Japan. Since its licensed for distribution in the United States, his statement says that its not anime, that's what I disagree with.
Apparently, anime released in the United States are just cartoons and shouldn't be classified as anime.
I understand where you're coming from, Tempest, and I apologize for not being more clear on the issue.
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Tenchi
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:18 pm
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I don't blame the staff for objecting: they'd be downgrading the name from that of a Maserati to that of a simple Volkswagen.
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Malintex Terek
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:37 pm
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Colonel Wolfe wrote: | Malintex Terek, what is your problem. Japanese anime released in the United States is still anime. To insult the anime genre as basic Japanese cartoons is an insult to anime fans everywhere. Oh, and don't insult my intelligence by trying to 'fix' my posted message.
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OH DEAR HIGHER POWER, I INSULTED SOME ANIME FANS. IF I'M NOT CAREFUL, THEY COULD "BLOG" ME TO DEATH!
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Stop deluding yourself; anime isn't mainstream and doesn't have a mainstream label. Most people who watch Ghibli do not associate it with the "devil's cartoons" that radical protestant fundamentalist evangelical Christians like to denounce; they see Ghibli works as merely animated cartoons done by a Japanese director and animated by a Japanese studio. There's nothing extra super-duper "special" connotations or brand labels, aside from the "Studio Ghibli" name, that ring bells in the back of the average consumer's mind when they see such.
When a Newsweek article mentions The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and calls the show a "japanese cartoon", it's a fair implication that a clear distinction between "western cartoons" and "anime" has not been firmly established. Granted, the label no longer has the negative elitist otaku connotations that it once had, but it's still a looooooong way from entering popular culture diction.
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Bl00dHoUnD
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:58 pm
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Malintex Terek wrote: |
Colonel Wolfe wrote: | Malintex Terek, what is your problem. Japanese anime released in the United States is still anime. To insult the anime genre as basic Japanese cartoons is an insult to anime fans everywhere. Oh, and don't insult my intelligence by trying to 'fix' my posted message.
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OH DEAR HIGHER POWER, I INSULTED SOME ANIME FANS. IF I'M NOT CAREFUL, THEY COULD "BLOG" ME TO DEATH!
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Stop deluding yourself; anime isn't mainstream and doesn't have a mainstream label. Most people who watch Ghibli do not associate it with the "devil's cartoons" that radical protestant fundamentalist evangelical Christians like to denounce; they see Ghibli works as merely animated cartoons done by a Japanese director and animated by a Japanese studio. There's nothing extra super-duper "special" connotations or brand labels, aside from the "Studio Ghibli" name, that ring bells in the back of the average consumer's mind when they see such.
When a Newsweek article mentions The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and calls the show a "japanese cartoon", it's a fair implication that a clear distinction between "western cartoons" and "anime" has not been firmly established. Granted, the label no longer has the negative elitist otaku connotations that it once had, but it's still a looooooong way from entering popular culture diction. |
Props for the stereotyping in the first sentence there.
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