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NEWS: Future Card Buddyfight Co-Creator: Japanese Card Game Sales Drop Over 40% in September


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EnigmaticSky



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:05 am Reply with quote
I wonder how much this has to do with Yugioh adding link summoning. I mean I quit when pendulums dropped, and link summoning just disgusts me.
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ChibiGoku



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:25 am Reply with quote
EnigmaticSky wrote:
I wonder how much this has to do with Yugioh adding link summoning. I mean I quit when pendulums dropped, and link summoning just disgusts me.


Some of it could just simply be due to changing habits of kids, teens, and adults, when it comes to card games (and general forms of entertainment), as Dual Masters had a similar drop off. Not to say that mechanic changes can't cause this, but I suspect the former may play more in part of it.

I also wonder if this is part of the reason why 4K Media (who are owned by Konami) is pushing the simulcast for Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS, to try to make up for lost revenue. I know the card game in the States has been struggling lately. While it's doing "okay", they aren't able to really maintain the same amount of players and is, as of a couple years ago, a "hobby" sales rate.
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AceLuffy4Ever



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:32 am Reply with quote
I wish they would have pushed for a Simuldub instead of a SImulcast.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:36 am Reply with quote
From reddit, which was sourced from NeoArkadia of NAC forums:

" I expect people will be citing this: It should be noted that while yes, there's a lot of anecdotes that much of the Spring-Summer 2017 Product Sales of YGO had a drop, the source also massively lacks any form of credibility, due to the following.

A) He works for/with/alongside Bushiroad who is going to obviously depict Konami and Takara Tomy sales as worse than they actually are.

B) He founded Card Kingdom, one of the most notoriously unethical and ill-reputed stores in Japan, notorious for such shadiness as:

■ Creating Disaster Dragon's distant ancestor, "Hopeless Dragon", a ridiculously high foil
promo Dragon Deck centered around Darkness Metal Dragon.

■ Driving the mediocre but hard to acquire subscription promo "Darklord Superbia" up to or over 10,000 Yen (100 US Dollars roughly) in a Darklord centric Deck displayed on their You Tube channel.

■ Convincing Newbies and Kids that cards such as "White Magical Hat", "Needlebug Nest" and "Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter" were beyond broken and you most definitely needed them."
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Яeverse



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:38 am Reply with quote
I dont know if I would take that information either since thats a YGO enthusiast site that would defend YGO.
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bleachj0j



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:10 pm Reply with quote
AceLuffy4Ever wrote:
I wish they would have pushed for a Simuldub instead of a SImulcast.


Why would they go with the more expensive option for a property that is declining?
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:55 pm Reply with quote
Perhaps the overall decline in TCG sales may have been the result of the franchises' formats becoming too complex?
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epicwizard



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:19 pm Reply with quote
Mr. Oshawott wrote:
Perhaps the overall decline in TCG sales may have been the result of the franchises' formats becoming too complex?

They really are becoming too complex. I can't get into Yu-Gi-Oh!, Cardfight!! Vanguard, or Weiss Schwarz because of how complex the rules are. Future Card Buddyfight is a bit easier, but I'm not hooked enough to buy it. Shadowverse is the only TCG I like because the rules aren't too complex.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:55 pm Reply with quote
While Link monsters were definately controversal in how they completely changed the format of the game (for the better, if you ask me), I will also have to agree that a Bushiroad employee isn't necessarily the best source for Konami and Takara Tomi sales.

ChibiGoku wrote:
I also wonder if this is part of the reason why 4K Media (who are owned by Konami) is pushing the simulcast for Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS, to try to make up for lost revenue.


The simulcast has more to do with the fact the American dub is more than likely dead and its the only way to air the anime here anymore.

-Stuart Smith
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:38 pm Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
ChibiGoku wrote:
I also wonder if this is part of the reason why 4K Media (who are owned by Konami) is pushing the simulcast for Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS, to try to make up for lost revenue.


The simulcast has more to do with the fact the American dub is more than likely dead and its the only way to air the anime here anymore.

-Stuart Smith

It makes me wonder how well Yu-Gi-Oh: Arc-V is faring in Canada now. Last I heard, its ratings seemed okay...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:25 pm Reply with quote
EnigmaticSky wrote:
I wonder how much this has to do with Yugioh adding link summoning. I mean I quit when pendulums dropped, and link summoning just disgusts me.


Why so much hate for the link summoning and VRAINS series in general? I think Links is making the game more interesting and the anime itself is better written in my opinion than the last spinoff, ARC-V. where the main protagonist had to use Action Cards in order to secure a good win from his opponents. I hope Yusaku doesn't turn into Yusei Fudo, and maybe actually lose a few times.
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SuiSeiKen



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:10 am Reply with quote
Well, it's maybe time to think about relaunching the purely Trading Card collections, without the Game component ? Like there was plenty of during two decades, and which nearly disappeared since 2010 ? Bandai Carddass Masters (without G), Amada Trading Collection, Movic Perfect Collection, Broccoli cards...



Yeah, I know, I'm a nostalgic dreamer Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:04 am Reply with quote
ChibiGoku wrote:
Some of it could just simply be due to changing habits of kids, teens, and adults, when it comes to card games (and general forms of entertainment), as Dual Masters had a similar drop off. Not to say that mechanic changes can't cause this, but I suspect the former may play more in part of it.


That would explain a long term decline, but you seldom see a 40+% drop YOY because of demographic trends. That's more akin to a fad sputtering out or something. Which reminds me, were there any Your Name. TCGs? Laughing Were there any big expansions related to Duel Masters and Yu-Gi-Oh! in September 2016 that weren't duplicated in 2017? That would explain a sizeable drop.

Ermat_46 wrote:
From reddit, which was sourced from NeoArkadia of NAC forums:

" I expect people will be citing this: It should be noted that while yes, there's a lot of anecdotes that much of the Spring-Summer 2017 Product Sales of YGO had a drop, the source also massively lacks any form of credibility, due to the following."


Ikeda is quoting Media Create, a wholly independent firm whose sole business is tracking retail sales. The data would be questionable if he was solely sourcing sales at his stores, but that's not the case. You can see his spin by blaming the competition's decline and never mentioning whether or not Bushiroad's three were up or down from September 2016. That person is insinuating that Ikeda is outright lying about the figures, which would likely have some interesting ramifications.

Stuart Smith wrote:
The simulcast has more to do with the fact the American dub is more than likely dead and its the only way to air the anime here anymore.


It remains to be seen if 4K Media can ever solve their distribution issues in the United States, but there's no indication the dub's production is ending. Multiple international markets are on the final season of Arc-V and 4K has started soliciting sales for VRAINS, with delivery expected next year.
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Xeogran



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:06 am Reply with quote
Sayuri Lapis wrote:
EnigmaticSky wrote:
I wonder how much this has to do with Yugioh adding link summoning. I mean I quit when pendulums dropped, and link summoning just disgusts me.


Why so much hate for the link summoning and VRAINS series in general? I think Links is making the game more interesting and the anime itself is better written in my opinion than the last spinoff, ARC-V. where the main protagonist had to use Action Cards in order to secure a good win from his opponents. I hope Yusaku doesn't turn into Yusei Fudo, and maybe actually lose a few times.


VRAINS is boring and has no interesting characters so far. Wake me up when it gets someone as cool on the tier of Reiji Akaba, Shun or Yuto.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:25 pm Reply with quote
Primus wrote:
ChibiGoku wrote:
Some of it could just simply be due to changing habits of kids, teens, and adults, when it comes to card games (and general forms of entertainment), as Dual Masters had a similar drop off. Not to say that mechanic changes can't cause this, but I suspect the former may play more in part of it.


That would explain a long term decline, but you seldom see a 40+% drop YOY because of demographic trends. That's more akin to a fad sputtering out or something. Which reminds me, were there any Your Name. TCGs? Laughing Were there any big expansions related to Duel Masters and Yu-Gi-Oh! in September 2016 that weren't duplicated in 2017? That would explain a sizeable drop.

Ermat_46 wrote:
From reddit, which was sourced from NeoArkadia of NAC forums:

" I expect people will be citing this: It should be noted that while yes, there's a lot of anecdotes that much of the Spring-Summer 2017 Product Sales of YGO had a drop, the source also massively lacks any form of credibility, due to the following."


Ikeda is quoting Media Create, a wholly independent firm whose sole business is tracking retail sales. The data would be questionable if he was solely sourcing sales at his stores, but that's not the case. You can see his spin by blaming the competition's decline and never mentioning whether or not Bushiroad's three were up or down from September 2016. That person is insinuating that Ikeda is outright lying about the figures, which would likely have some interesting ramifications.

Stuart Smith wrote:
The simulcast has more to do with the fact the American dub is more than likely dead and its the only way to air the anime here anymore.


It remains to be seen if 4K Media can ever solve their distribution issues in the United States, but there's no indication the dub's production is ending. Multiple international markets are on the final season of Arc-V and 4K has started soliciting sales for VRAINS, with delivery expected next year.


Even if VRAINS doew get dubbed, where would it go? Certainly not Nicktoons, that's for sure. They could choose KidsClick (despite its technical difficulties), but I'm not holding my breath.
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