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NEWS: Industry Group: Total Anime Sales Dipped 7.4% in 2007


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melonbread



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:18 pm Reply with quote
Assuming that figure represent the entire profits and losses combined across all 56 animation companies; I'd like to see which ones turned a profit and which turned a loss.

Any number of reasons could dramatically affect the overall number...

I'm not worried.

EDIT: Bones don't seem to be listed either, not that that would probably have a dramatic effect on the overall number (probably).
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Big Hed



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:23 pm Reply with quote
melonbread wrote:

Any number of reasons could dramatically affect the overall number...


True, and I suppose if the decrease in sales can primarily be attributed to losses on behalf of smaller companies, then this figure isn't entirely upsetting. Still, 7.4% is a big number, especially given that the past 5 years have all seen growth.

A time of consolidation, it seems...

By the way, melonbread, Bones is listed near the bottom.
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rankothefiremage



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:25 pm Reply with quote
given how poorly world markets have done these last few years, this isn't that bad.

Also they mention that production is down as well. Fewer titles = less titles to sell = less profit.
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Veoryn87



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:40 pm Reply with quote
I predict some people here are going to blame internet fansubs then a huge debate that we've heard a million times before will go on for 10 pages.

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minakichan





PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:40 pm Reply with quote
Since 2002 seems to make sense. Global economy hasn't been doing that hot in either case, right? I'm not worried about the industry.
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kokuryu



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:43 pm Reply with quote
Preliminary reports show that the Global economy dropped by approximately 10% in 2007, so with Global Anime sales dropping 7.4%, the Anime industry is actually doing excellent and is far ahead of the Global decline, but it was still affected.
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crilix



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:53 pm Reply with quote
So how do AJA's numbers compare to JVA's? They're obviously not matching.
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Kireek



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Well I buy anime and over the past 2 years I didn't buy a single ADV title and they had a lot of the market.........why didn't I buy an ADV title you may ask because (and im sorry to say this) most of it was tripe that myself (and I suspect many others) did not want.
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omoikane



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:16 pm Reply with quote
crilix wrote:
So how do AJA's numbers compare to JVA's? They're obviously not matching.


Not having read the source for both reports, I'm going on a limb here...

But I think JVA only talks about DVD rentals and sales, where as AJA includes licensing and the whole nine yards.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:19 pm Reply with quote
I fully expect the global anime market to continue contracting for at least the next few years. Luxury goods don't tend to do too that well during recessionary periods, especially when the knock-off version is nearly identical but sold for free.
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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:20 pm Reply with quote
Kireek wrote:
Well I buy anime and over the past 2 years I didn't buy a single ADV title and they had a lot of the market.........why didn't I buy an ADV title you may ask because (and im sorry to say this) most of it was tripe that myself (and I suspect many others) did not want.


Wow, that was a really needlessly argumentative post. Even by internet standards, I'm kind of surprised by it.
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crilix



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:27 pm Reply with quote
omoikane wrote:
But I think JVA only talks about DVD rentals and sales, where as AJA includes licensing and the whole nine yards.

JVA's report states 80.1 billion yen in DVD sales for Japanese anime for general audiences (so mostly TV anime for geeks) alone, which indicates an increase of 0,08% compared to last year's report. Even if DVD sales of theatrical features have a noticable stake in these numbers, shouldn't we be hearing "increase" instead of "decrease" on other categories from AJA?
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Kireek



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:39 pm Reply with quote
Monster in a box wrote:
Kireek wrote:
Well I buy anime and over the past 2 years I didn't buy a single ADV title and they had a lot of the market.........why didn't I buy an ADV title you may ask because (and im sorry to say this) most of it was tripe that myself (and I suspect many others) did not want.


Wow, that was a really needlessly argumentative post. Even by internet standards, I'm kind of surprised by it.


And what is your opinion on the artical?
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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:43 pm Reply with quote
My opinion is that I know nothing of the business world, but it certainly doesn't sound like a good thing.

And of my hundreds of DVDs quite a few of them are ADV, but I don't own a single Funimation DVD...yet. I do have a few coming in the mail, but it took them a while.
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testorschoice



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:41 pm Reply with quote
crilix wrote:
omoikane wrote:
But I think JVA only talks about DVD rentals and sales, where as AJA includes licensing and the whole nine yards.


JVA's report states 80.1 billion yen in DVD sales for Japanese anime for general audiences (so mostly TV anime for geeks) alone, which indicates an increase of 0,08% compared to last year's report. Even if DVD sales of theatrical features have a noticable stake in these numbers, shouldn't we be hearing "increase" instead of "decrease" on other categories from AJA?


That's only one stat that JVA reported. JVA reported 80.176 billion yen in 2007 sales for Animation for General Audiences/Grown-ups (Domestic) only. That doesn't count Animation for Kids (Domestic). (That also doesn't count Animation for Grown-ups (International), Animation for Kids (International), but those are international DVDs.)

Animation for Grown-ups (Domestic) was up 0.8%. However, Animation for Kids (Domestic) was down 34.9%.

All domestic animation sales (for grown-ups and kids) were 89.430 billion yen in 2007. However, all domestic animation sales were higher in 2006 at 95.028 billion yen.

http://www.jva-net.or.jp/report/genre_2007.pdf
http://www.jva-net.or.jp/report/genre_2006.pdf
http://www.jva-net.or.jp/en/genre_2001-2007_en.pdf

When you count all domestic animation sales, JVA's numbers dropped in 2007, just like AJA's numbers dropped.
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