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Sensei-roh
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well? can't seem to find it? am i blind cause i don't see it where all the other GITS are?
i just want to learn more about this series. so why isn't it in the encyclopedia? or is there, but under a different name? |
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doc-watson42
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It's listed as the second season of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (though perhaps it should have been separate).
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Sensei-roh
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oh, now i see...
but aren't they two different stories with both an end? or not? if not, does the story end in season 2? or is the whole SAC still incomplete? and, if they are 2 different stories, than yes, i totaly agree that they should definetely be seperated. it's kinda confusing this way... |
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doc-watson42
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I have yet to see volumes 6 and 7 of 2nd Gig, so I can't speak to that, but while the first season has a conclusion, the overall story continues in 2nd Gig, even though the latter has is own story arc.
IMHO, they should have been separate entries more for administrative reasons. Each is rather large and complex for a 26 episode series, and it probably would be easier to have treated each separately for the purposes of the Encyclopedia. |
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Nagisa
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It was my understanding that both Stand-Alone Complex and 2nd GIG would be broken up into separate entities, as most other anime with similar second seasons (Rozen Maiden, School Rumble, Nanoha) have their seasons also separated out. But I guess nothing's been done yet.
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biliano
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This is almost identical to the situation between Yu-Gi-Oh! and Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters that was discussed last year. Before they were separated, both series were listed under the Yu-Gi-Oh entry (Anime entry #790) even though they are technically separate series. (The first Yu-Gi-Oh series was animated by Toei and never crossed the Pacific. Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters was the series that 4Kids acquired and aired on Kids' WB. It's listed as Anime Entry #5074.) Both Michi and I campaigned to the Encyclopedists that they should be separate, of which dormcat approved of the split. I agree with the both of you that the two Ghost in the Shell seasons should have their own entries in the Encyclopedia. Hopefully the Encyclopedists will split the two series soon. |
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dormcat
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Ahem. In fact, more problems than expected had surfaced once they were separated. If I were forced to do it all over again I'd rather create a new entry for Toei's original Yu-Gi-Oh! than the other way around, which was what I did. 
In the case of GitS:SAC and GitS:SAC 2nd GIG, the problem was much less significant: unlike Yu-Gi-Oh! and Yu-Gi-Oh! Dual Monsters, SAC and 2nd GIG have the same cast, staff, and studio (Yu-Gi-Oh! Dual Monsters was probably one of the few drasic retelling stories, with a completely different cast and staff). I'll leave it to Dan to decide whether they should be separated. |
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Nagisa
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Well, like I said, it'd only make sense to separate them. After all, there are other second seasons with the same staff and cast listings (Rozen Maiden, Maria-sama ga Miteru, Gundam SEED, Aria) that are kept separate, so I don't see why Stand-Alone Complex should be any different. |
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dormcat
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Personally I agree. Yet, moving information manually would be a pain in the neck... 
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Sensei-roh
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i think what's more important here than staff and cast is storyline. to me, different stories mean different series. otherwise i would think that i can't see the first second season without having to see the first, or, that the first series doesn't end and that the conclusion of the story will only reveal itself in season 2.
but i can totaly understand the pain in the neck part too! ( and wouldn't this mean that the three seasons of kenshin should be separated too, especially since the last one didn't have anything to do with the original manga (so i heard, could be wrong) or am i wrong on that one?(the seperating part)) |
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Nagisa
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No, because Kenshin "seasons" and seasons as in Ghost in the Shell or Rozen Maiden's case are two different things. What you're calling "seasons" for Kenshin are actually separate story arcs. Yet those story arcs were all part of one long, continuous series with a single title. There were no breaks where the show ended, and then started back up six months later with a new title like "Rurouni Kenshin: Kyoto no Hibi" or something. It was simply "Rurouni Kenshin" the entire time, ran with no significant breaks, and thus is only one single series. On the other hand, Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex ran for 26 episodes and ended, and based on its success, Bandai greenlit a second season to go into production, which then debuted a year later with the title "Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex 2nd GIG." Rozen Maiden ran for 12 episodes, and based on its success a second run was okayed and debuted several months later under the new title "Rozen Maiden: Träumend." In this same way, Aria the Animation led to Aria the Natural, School Rumble led to School Rumble: Nigakki, Maria-sama ga Miteru led to Maria-sama ga Miteru ~Haru~, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha led to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's and will lead to Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS, and so-on. |
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Sensei-roh
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aha, i see
ok, that answers all my questions 
now all that remains is: will it get seperated or not? anyway thanks for the info! |
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Nagisa
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Kenshin? No, I just explained that. As for Ghost in the Shell? I dunno, but it needs to. |
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Sensei-roh
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yes, that's what i meant.
gits should be seperated. your explanation why kenshin shouldn't was very insightfull. hence the 'aha, now i see' |
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Shiroi Hane
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imdb still has only a single entry for the US dub of Digimon, which is ridiculous since although a lot of the same people work on all the seasons there are 3.5 completely distinct sets of characters. At least with Gitsack the main cast is the same for both series.
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