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Rozzer
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:05 am
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I was curious about the way most Manga is created, is it in the format of a book or thin like a comic book? So far I only have one Manga and it's in the form of a 50 page book, and I think it's neat the way it is
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Dilandau
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:47 am
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Littlegreenwolf will correct me if I'm wrong:
manga in Japan are not released in little 20 page comic-books that you have in the US. They are released in magazines with a bunch of other comics (like Shonen Jump). Eventually, they release books of each individual comic (much like what you have in the US).
The US manga is 99% book form. Although you can find some 20 page comics of Oh My Goddess, Tenchi, Gun Smith Cats, Evangelion, and others.
Besides, does it make more sense to spend $3.50 on a 20 page comic or $10 on 160pg book?
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littlegreenwolf
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:32 am
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I would call it more of the comic book form. The monthly/weekly anthologies that the chapters are originally released in are nothing more then a whole bunch of comics thrown together into one big magazine. The chapters can easily be compared to the 20 page comics we get here that sell by themselves because usally thats just about how many pages a manga chapter is, unless its the first chapter of a new volume, then it usually has more then 20 pages.
If Marvel and the other comic book companies where to try something like this with about 8 or more chapters of different comic series a month, and sell it for about 5-8 bucks a month, I think the American comic business would have quite a good thing there *though the price may have to go up to about 20 bucks a month or so because American comics cost more to produce*. Also, with American comic books, they release their "tankubon" but usually it's only with a couple chapters, like about 3 or so, for around 20-30 bucks. The only difference between American comics and Manga in this sense is price, and how many chapters are usually in the graphic novel version.
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rage-demon
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:15 pm
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littlegreenwolf wrote: | Also, with American comic books, they release their "tankubon" but usually it's only with a couple chapters, like about 3 or so, for around 20-30 bucks. The only difference between American comics and Manga in this sense is price, and how many chapters are usually in the graphic novel version. |
I know Dreamwave releases their transformer graphic novels by putting about 6 comic book "chapters" together. They do cost over $20, but that's due to it being in full color and printed on the higher quality glossy paper.
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Aromatic Grass
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:03 pm
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Well, they are pretty much considered "comics" . . .
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Fandrez
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:37 pm
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I like to think that manga comes in book format. I mean, I've seen manga and they come in them nice big books with like 50 pages or so. I'm guessing some mangas come in different ways. Manga isn't bought in little 20 page comics.
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littlegreenwolf
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:49 am
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Fandrez wrote: | Manga isn't bought in little 20 page comics. |
Not here, but in Japan they are. You just have to buy a couple other 20 page comics to get the one you want to read.
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Godaistudios
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:05 am
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Heh... a couple of other 20 page comics? Well, I suppose it depends on the magazine of course. It's just that I'm reminded of the phone book sized ones (which you could easily kill someone with ) with approx 600 pages like Dragon Age has. Of course, the great thing is that they are still farily inexpensive to buy, costing (per Apr. 2004 issue) just 540 yen.
And Tankubon are still cheaper than we get here... (arg) usually running around 300 yen, while we pay the for the "equivalent" roughly $9.95. Ah well, it's just what the market will pay for I guess.
But in the end, I have yet to see a 20 page manga in single book form like our U.S. comic books are.
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littlegreenwolf
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:39 pm
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Godaistudios wrote: | But in the end, I have yet to see a 20 page manga in single book form like our U.S. comic books are. |
And I have yet to see a book with with a single chapter from several different stories. I have however, seen single chapter manga from Japan. In most cases these are doujinshi, but in a few, they are manga an artist is publishing like doujinshi mainly because they can't get a publisher.
Ok, I guess this whole question just boils down to what you define a book to be. To me a book is a story printed and fastened along it's spine between two protective covers. If you go by this, comics are book format to begin with. However, if you're looking for something with a nice number of pages, and that's what you're baseing your idea off of, then I suppose some may have different views. But the question was if manga were CREATED in book format. They aren't.
I for one see no difference with how single comic chapters are created, and how in Japan single manga chapters are created. Both American comics and manga are created and published one chapter at a time. The Japanese just tend to throw their chapters together with other chapters of other manga to save time, money, and to promote their other manga. When they get to a certian number of chapters, then the manga/comic gets published in a book format.
I haven't mentioned it before, but there ARE a few American comic anthologies that have previously escaped my mind. The biggest title I can think of is the Heavy Metal magazine. I'm sure some of you have heard of it, or at least it's animated form. They're pretty much just like the Japanese manga phonebooks, except with color.
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Godaistudios
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:27 pm
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littlegreenwolf wrote: |
Godaistudios wrote: | But in the end, I have yet to see a 20 page manga in single book form like our U.S. comic books are. |
And I have yet to see a book with with a single chapter from several different stories. |
You want my Dragon Age?
Quote: | I have however, seen single chapter manga from Japan. In most cases these are doujinshi, but in a few, they are manga an artist is publishing like doujinshi mainly because they can't get a publisher. |
I didn't even think about the doujinshi market in reference to those... but I think it didn't come to mind because the only time I've seen "official" work is with "promotional" material, as opposed to an ongoing story.
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