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Eruanna
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I just finished watching the most sexualy explicit anime I have ever seen in my life. Now, I am not the kind of person that likes sex scenes in my movies or anime. I stay away from hentai and pornography. It isnt my thing. But Im wondering, just how much explicity does it take to make an anime labled "hentai"? The anime I just finished watching is Ai no Kusabi, a steamy boy love OVA. I watched it out of curiousity because a yaoi obsessed friend of mine said that it was gripping and emotional and touching and that I should have an open mind about these things. I have an open enough mind, I have nothing against homosexuals, and I enjoy drama, and she said it was very very good, so I watched it. I must admit shock at the amount of explicit sex there was in that thing. I probably should have read some reviews or something, but ANN has its rating as "Mature" and not "Adults Only" so I was wondering, is this not hentai?? Iv never watched hentai so I wouldnt know.
Alternatly I had thought that shows like Nightwalker and Oku-sama wa Joshi Kousei had alot of sexual scenes in them, and was wondering if they were almost crossing the line into hentai, but after seeing Ai no Kusabi I realise that they were pretty darn tame. So what gives? Ai no Kusabi isnt hentai? How much explicit sexual content is permitted before you do cross the line? |
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KyuuA4
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It's Porno. Can't be more simple than that.
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undeadben
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For definition of hentai here is what is listed in the lexicon here: ANN lexicon, Hentai
Usually I think Hentai primarily refers to anime that contain explicit depictions of sexual acts, and that is when they are labeled "Adults Only." I've never seen the Yaoi show you talk about but here's a couple of things for you. Even if it was not labeled "Adults Only" you knew it was rated "Mature" and that it is Yaoi. So first of all from the encyclopedia here we know that Mature = May contain sex, drugs, and extreme graphic violence. So while maybe not as graphic or explicit as Hentai, a Mature rated show "may contain sex." Secondly you mention you knew it was Yaoi. The lexicon says for Yaoi:
Bolded for emphasis. So basically if you had known both the nature of Yaoi and what the "mature" rating means in the encyclopedia you probably wouldn't have been so surprised by that show. Here's another thread that ponders about shows that are maybe an erotic scene away from being hentai rather than just rated mature, although most of the discussion here is just about which shows are almost hentai. The "I can't believe it's not Hentai!" Thread Last edited by undeadben on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:14 am; edited 1 time in total |
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digitalkikka
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I usually define hentai as anime (or manga...) that has a plot that exists only to get to sex scenes. Most hentai I've seen has had one goal: sex. The characters lack depth and the setting will be the last thing you paying attention to. So, even if a show has sex and nudity, yet has a plot that doesn't center around said sex and nudity, I don't consider it hentai.
I've actually seen Ai no Kusabi myself ... I'm not that into yaoi but it gets points for making me cry at the end. |
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Eruanna
Posts: 451 Location: Canada |
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Erm, I wasnt really complaining, as if Id been forced into watching it or something.
First of all, I knew it was a boys love story. But Iv seen titles like Loveless that have no sex at all. I discribed it as being a "steamy boys love show" because I have seen it, so I know how to discribe it now. But prior to having seen it, all I knew about it was that it was about gay relationships, and that does not always mean explicit. Secondly, I know that the "Mature" rating means May contain sex. But again, Iv seen alot of Mature rated shows, and this one is the most explicit. Shows like, say, Gilgamesh or Gankutsuou have sexual scenes in them, but they are discreet and not explicit. What I was really asking was, what is the difference between sex in Mature rated shows, and sex in Adults Only rated shows. And why the title I mentioned did not warrent the Adults Only tag, just the Mature tag. How explicit does it have to be to be Adults Only. EDIT:
Since youve seen it, would you consider it a hentai? While the characters were by no means lacking in depth as you discribed, still the story did seem to be mostly about the sexual encounters between the two main characters. Last edited by Eruanna on Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:39 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Generally I would think it would follow the same general guidlines as movies. You can have more mature and tasteful sex scenes in movies. The real raunchy showing everything scenes are generally reserved for porn. The main thing is the story. Hentai/Porn is about sex. What I mean is it's story is sexual based. Movies can have sex in them but it's not the point of the movie. If the point is simply sex then it's 18+/porn/hentai. Wow, my 500th post here, and it's about porn  . That's something to brag about. I need a drink .....
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namelissis
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well, is hentai really an anime genre?
that's always the question popping out my head when i hear the word hentai? If it is, well, hentai would be an anime with nothing more to show but malicious and disgusting and out-of-the-bounds sexual scenes... Let's say it's anime which 75% of an epi is about you know what... Well, I'm gonna be a hypocrite if I'm going to say I haven't viewed one. Yes, I've watch one and that's it... It really made me aware that, "is this supposed to be really watched by people?" it's really gross... there are some anime's that have uhm scenes like Fushigi Yugii, but I didn't freak me out... But hentai, period... don't wanna talk about it! |
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digitalkikka
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I agree that it wasn't lacking in character depth, I wish I had made that clear in my first post  I wouldn't classify it as hentai. Its been a while since I've seen it, but I'm pretty sure there was no full nudity and the sex scenes were very tasteful. And yes, there was a lot of sex but it wasn't just random. It was about forbidden love between Blondie and Pet (or whatever they're called) and it even managed to touch on aspects of what makes people human. I can't forget the best part is easily the fact that Toshihiko Seki is the voice of Riki. Honestly, what hasn't that man been in?
Actually, that's probably the best description of hentai I've seen. |
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omar235
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And it is about yaoi porn...I think you do need that drink. 
Well actually there are some good hentai out there as in there stories aren't half bad even if they are hentai. Wet Summer Days comes to mind, as well as One. But yes for the most part hentai is extreme sextual exlicit scenes in anime and not much else. 
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Amasa
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One thing that I see quite a lot is people unconsciously assuming that sex scenes between two men is more explicit and extreme than a heterosexual sex scene. There's loads of anime out there that has normal sex scenes, there's even more anime out there that has lesbian innuendos and frontal female nudity (underage nonetheless). Now tell me, what should be classified as hentai?
It is absurd and ridiculous to divide all anime into "Anime with sex scenes" and "Anime without sex scenes", is it not as equally absurd to divide "Anime with gay sex scenes" and "Anime without gay sex scenes"? I'm not accusing you of being ignorant as I really do believe what you said in your first post, but still I've seen many "Malicious" things in anime involving 14 year old nuns. Those types of anime are, in my opinion, more destructive, sinister and a tad unhealthy than most yaoi out there. Men having sex, women having sex... what's the difference really? At least women aren't the only gender in anime that get sexually exploited without censorship or a rating. Even the most dignified anime out there will give their leading women roles to sassy, sexy beasts with double-Ds. I may have gone off-topic a little bit, but keep in mind that if Ai no Kusabi is arguably hentai then shouldn't every French film be considered porn? Please, over-censorship is for Catholics, infants and Republicans... let's try and keep it liberal in anime. |
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10円
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Actually, hentai is often typified by obscene stories of rape, abuse, and murder apparently aimed at frustrated men who enjoy bizarre fantasies or wish to take vicarious revenge upon the those they cannot even hope to understand. As a result, it is not quite the same thing as conventional porn, but is rather something of an alternative offshoot. At least, in the American sense. In Japan you can find rape, abuse, and torture themes in both variants so the distinction is less clear or perhaps even nonexistent.
Fushigi Yugi? What the heck? |
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undeadben
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I didn't think you were complaining at all. I was honestly just trying to explain what I believe is the difference between a mature rating and hentai and I think I got a little carried away and sounded rude, I apologize. Hmm, maybe I was a bit vague when I said hentai is "anime that contain explicit depictions of sexual acts." Ok, how about, anime that actually shows the act of penetration of an orifice with any object; sex organ, objects resembling sex organs, fruit, tentacles, etc. or oral stimulation of sex organs, whether depicted or censored after production. Just like in movies, film makers can get away with an awful lot before attaining that NC-17 rating, I think with anime it might be the same. You can go so far; breasts popping out, grabbing, caressing, gyrating, undulating, naked posteriors, or anything else that lets you know, yeah these people are having sex, as long as that line isn't crossed, though still earning a mature rating, it wouldn't really be hentai.
It hasn't been that long since I have seen it but I don't remember anything remotely graphic in FY either. |
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DragonsRevenge
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I cant call it outright pornography, but I'd consider Hentai to be any title in which sex is a primary focus, just not the main focus. There are Hentai shows that involve sex, but not in lurid detail (Angel of Darkness), but nothing is really shown. However it leaves very little to the imagination. I'd call that more Skinemax hentai. There are titles that actually have decent stories as well.
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namelissis
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Uhm, sorry, it's not really a oh so totally sex scene in Fushigi, but they were scene's that only grown up should see. Just recall this spoiler[Remember, when Tamahome made out with Zoi and in the OVA, the last part, something happen to Miaka and Taka?]
Sorry, 10(i don 't what character) and Undeadben I wasn't implying that Fushigi is a Hentai... Sumimasen... What I'm trying to say is that, it's alright to have some sex scenes in anime, but too much of the not so humanly sex scenes is a definite no, no! |
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hentai4me
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Well...while a great deal of hentai is generally unpleasant not all of it is. You'd all be up in arms if I tarred anime with a brush saying that all of it is immature children's programs, just because some of it is doesn't mean all of it is.
A lot of hentai, certainly the majority, does fit the description, but not all, the trick, for those who care for it, is to sift through the endless reams of crap and find the rare set of consensual hentai. Or perhaps finding doujinshi and images without a translation (if they have one) and slightly ambiguous scenes and then assume what you want is happening. |
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